When Homework Gets too Much

[Trainer Monkey]

Surely he can understand corn, potatoes and beans. I think you are making this much more complicated than it is. Surely, this assignment is to teach him communication and research skills as opposed to the subject matter.

Theres more to it then just recipes,apparently theres traditional presentation
Now I have an attitude,if he's going to do something,do it right,there's no point in being adequate.Adequate people exist to fill factories,or ask if you want fries with that.
To do such a report correctly,and ask any of my fighters Im a facist for doing things correctly,he should be at least in the 4th grade.
I was like that as a printer,which was why Im the best ink mixer youve ever seen,Im like that as a trainer,I firmly believe that doing anything good enough is doing it half assed,and that means your down half an ass.

I really don't understand your issue with this assignment, you said he was capable, you also said he had a high IQ, why would he have difficulty "doing it right". He's there to learn the concepts of research and communicating what he researched. Surely he's not being asked to do something different than his classmates.

Actually he is,he scored the most difficult of the assignments,and learning should have a level of joy to it
Handing him something like that,is going to come across as almost punitive in his mind for doing well

[Trainer Monkey]

And as sure as dark follows day,what did he do today,acted out in class because he was po'ed at his teachers

[killersheep]

Theres more to it then just recipes,apparently theres traditional presentation
Now I have an attitude,if he's going to do something,do it right,there's no point in being adequate.Adequate people exist to fill factories,or ask if you want fries with that.
To do such a report correctly,and ask any of my fighters Im a facist for doing things correctly,he should be at least in the 4th grade.
I was like that as a printer,which was why Im the best ink mixer youve ever seen,Im like that as a trainer,I firmly believe that doing anything good enough is doing it half assed,and that means your down half an ass.

I really don't understand your issue with this assignment, you said he was capable, you also said he had a high IQ, why would he have difficulty "doing it right". He's there to learn the concepts of research and communicating what he researched. Surely he's not being asked to do something different than his classmates.

Actually he is,he scored the most difficult of the assignments,and learning should have a level of joy to it
Handing him something like that,is going to come across as almost punitive in his mind for doing well

What does joy have to do with the school system or the assignment? Students of all ages and skill levels have to do work they find punitive. Ultimately you're just complaining and making excuses here. He has the material (posted on this thread). He has the capability to complete this assignment. He is able to perform at a higher level (which is what you require, so he is not just adequate). With all that being said, it is ultimately coming down to your doubts in his abilities at his age. Have some faith in your son that he can do this and do it well. He will also reflect your doubts in the teachers by acting out in class, you need to work together with his teacher not against them, or you will just see more lashing out and poorer performance in school.

[Trainer Monkey]

I really don't understand your issue with this assignment, you said he was capable, you also said he had a high IQ, why would he have difficulty "doing it right". He's there to learn the concepts of research and communicating what he researched. Surely he's not being asked to do something different than his classmates.

Actually he is,he scored the most difficult of the assignments,and learning should have a level of joy to it
Handing him something like that,is going to come across as almost punitive in his mind for doing well

What does joy have to do with the school system or the assignment? Students of all ages and skill levels have to do work they find punitive. Ultimately you're just complaining and making excuses here. He has the material (posted on this thread). He has the capability to complete this assignment. He is able to perform at a higher level (which is what you require, so he is not just adequate). With all that being said, it is ultimately coming down to your doubts in his abilities at his age. Have some faith in your son that he can do this and do it well. He will also reflect your doubts in the teachers by acting out in class, you need to work together with his teacher not against them, or you will just see more lashing out and poorer performance in school.

Why?
My grandather could even make punitive learning assignments seem interesting.
My main worry as far as he goes,is his handwriting is allmost as bad as mine,and the presentation has to be in his hand writing.
Now frankly Im being a dick about it,because I want him to take his own notes,and then write it with his own voice.
I'll help him with pronunciation,but thats just about it,maybe other parents run their show different,but if he gets an assignment its his assignment.y job is to make sure he does it,not do it for him.

[killersheep]

Actually he is,he scored the most difficult of the assignments,and learning should have a level of joy to it
Handing him something like that,is going to come across as almost punitive in his mind for doing well

What does joy have to do with the school system or the assignment? Students of all ages and skill levels have to do work they find punitive. Ultimately you're just complaining and making excuses here. He has the material (posted on this thread). He has the capability to complete this assignment. He is able to perform at a higher level (which is what you require, so he is not just adequate). With all that being said, it is ultimately coming down to your doubts in his abilities at his age. Have some faith in your son that he can do this and do it well. He will also reflect your doubts in the teachers by acting out in class, you need to work together with his teacher not against them, or you will just see more lashing out and poorer performance in school.

Why?
My grandather could even make punitive learning assignments seem interesting.
My main worry as far as he goes,is his handwriting is allmost as bad as mine,and the presentation has to be in his hand writing.
Now frankly Im being a dick about it,because I want him to take his own notes,and then write it with his own voice.
I'll help him with pronunciation,but thats just about it,maybe other parents run their show different,but if he gets an assignment its his assignment.y job is to make sure he does it,not do it for him.

I don't understand your argument here. You have clearly stated he has the capability to do this. Second graders as a rule of thumb have bad handwriting, I doubt very seriously that this is the issue, as that would be expected.

[Trainer Monkey]

What does joy have to do with the school system or the assignment? Students of all ages and skill levels have to do work they find punitive. Ultimately you're just complaining and making excuses here. He has the material (posted on this thread). He has the capability to complete this assignment. He is able to perform at a higher level (which is what you require, so he is not just adequate). With all that being said, it is ultimately coming down to your doubts in his abilities at his age. Have some faith in your son that he can do this and do it well. He will also reflect your doubts in the teachers by acting out in class, you need to work together with his teacher not against them, or you will just see more lashing out and poorer performance in school.

Why?
My grandather could even make punitive learning assignments seem interesting.
My main worry as far as he goes,is his handwriting is allmost as bad as mine,and the presentation has to be in his hand writing.
Now frankly Im being a dick about it,because I want him to take his own notes,and then write it with his own voice.
I'll help him with pronunciation,but thats just about it,maybe other parents run their show different,but if he gets an assignment its his assignment.y job is to make sure he does it,not do it for him.

I don't understand your argument here. You have clearly stated he has the capability to do this. Second graders as a rule of thumb have bad handwriting, I doubt very seriously that this is the issue, as that would be expected.

Its a very serious issue,you want to keep learning fun,not make it feel punitive.
A kid who feels like learning is a punishment,is a kid who stops wanting to do it.

[killersheep]

Why?
My grandather could even make punitive learning assignments seem interesting.
My main worry as far as he goes,is his handwriting is allmost as bad as mine,and the presentation has to be in his hand writing.
Now frankly Im being a dick about it,because I want him to take his own notes,and then write it with his own voice.
I'll help him with pronunciation,but thats just about it,maybe other parents run their show different,but if he gets an assignment its his assignment.y job is to make sure he does it,not do it for him.

I don't understand your argument here. You have clearly stated he has the capability to do this. Second graders as a rule of thumb have bad handwriting, I doubt very seriously that this is the issue, as that would be expected.

Its a very serious issue,you want to keep learning fun,not make it feel punitive.
A kid who feels like learning is a punishment,is a kid who stops wanting to do it.

And a kid whose parents undermine their teachers assignments is a kid that lashes out at school and doesn't do the assignments at all. What are you hoping to accomplish here man? The assignment is still gonna be due fun or not. Not to sound like Teddy Atlas here but, Again you are just making excuses. If the "fun" factor isn't there......make it fun, do what your grandfather did and "make punitive learning assignments seem interesting". Turn it into a game or something. You are making it sound like this one assignment is gonna be the difference between ending up in jail, or being the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. It's just an assignment stop being such a drama queen.

[Trainer Monkey]

I don't understand your argument here. You have clearly stated he has the capability to do this. Second graders as a rule of thumb have bad handwriting, I doubt very seriously that this is the issue, as that would be expected.

Its a very serious issue,you want to keep learning fun,not make it feel punitive.
A kid who feels like learning is a punishment,is a kid who stops wanting to do it.

And a kid whose parents undermine their teachers assignments is a kid that lashes out at school and doesn't do the assignments at all. What are you hoping to accomplish here man? The assignment is still gonna be due fun or not. Not to sound like Teddy Atlas here but, Again you are just making excuses. If the "fun" factor isn't there......make it fun, do what your grandfather did and "make punitive learning assignments seem interesting". Turn it into a game or something. You are making it sound like this one assignment is gonna be the difference between ending up in jail, or being the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. It's just an assignment stop being such a drama queen.

Did I say I dont? The kids better at anatomy or geography then you are,Im good at geography,and I think he knows more then me, I keep it loose for him,and if you do,you get amazing results from him. I was just feeling that theres a line between pushing a kid, and making it seem like being intelligent is a punishment all on its own

[Youngblood]

If his IQ is that high, then you need to worry more about them not challenging him...as opposed to them over burdening him I would think.

Here in Canada, and in my school system, they changed the rules for early advanced promotion for those who learn quick. Basically, was stuck in elementary (grade kindergarten to grade eight) with a thirst for knowledge and a dry tap. The internet was somewhat of a savior for that as I was on it young and it filled in many gaps and provided a source of unlimited information.

Not everyone learns the same, and as Lyle points out regarding the herding, standardized testing and teaching to reach for that goal is a system getting lazy and throwing principles out as a rationale for it.

Be glad if he is being tested and challenged. Conformity isn't for everyone.