Pacquiao's place in History...

[Kev]

Pac's achievements are great but to say he DOMINATED divisions is going way over the top.

Featherweight - Beat Barrera, drew with Marquez (lucky to get a draw IMO), lost to Morales. He didn't even win an alphabet at the weight ().

Superfeather - A superb run.. Beat Morales X 2, Larios, Barrera and Marquez (lucky to get the decision against Marquez IMO)

Lightweight - Beat the weakest alphabet champ in Diaz. Good win, good performance, but that's it, he was EXPECTED to win EASY.

Welterweight - Beat a clearly weight-drained, ancient Oscar. Great win nonetheless considering he was UNDERDOG and the weight jump.

So.. he has great wins, for sure, but above superfeather hasn't yet come close to facing the TOP guys.

Yes but no fighter in boxing history has ever truly dominated two divisions, there's simply not enough time in a career.

Even the great Ray Robinson was only dominant at welter, he could barely string two defenses together at middleweight ()

But he completely wrapped up and owned the superfeatherweight division beating every significant rival. I must admit I don't know much about his flyweight and bantamweight days but he won world titles at both flyweight and super bantam so am guessing he must have come close to ruling those weight classes as well whilst he was there.

When you look at the current flyweights, like Donaire, Darchinyan, Arce etc, the idea of them going through the likes of Isreal Vazquez and R Marquez before moving up to take on Stephen Leuveno then on to super featherweight to challenge Edwin Valero and Humberto Soto, before going after Nate Campbell at lightweight then up again to fight Kendall Holt etc, it just sounds completely ridiculous.

But Manny has actually gone and done that, his resume is amazing in my opinion even if Floyd comes back as far as I'm concerned he's only p4p number 2 unless he beats Manny.

Floyd fought Oscar to a split decision win, Manny just completely fucking creamed him. I can't think of any fighter who has ever moved through the weights like he has and kept his power, save for maybe Thomas Hearns, but he never started out as a flyweight!

[Fenster]

Pac's achievements are great but to say he DOMINATED divisions is going way over the top.

Featherweight - Beat Barrera, drew with Marquez (lucky to get a draw IMO), lost to Morales. He didn't even win an alphabet at the weight ().

Superfeather - A superb run.. Beat Morales X 2, Larios, Barrera and Marquez (lucky to get the decision against Marquez IMO)

Lightweight - Beat the weakest alphabet champ in Diaz. Good win, good performance, but that's it, he was EXPECTED to win EASY.

Welterweight - Beat a clearly weight-drained, ancient Oscar. Great win nonetheless considering he was UNDERDOG and the weight jump.

So.. he has great wins, for sure, but above superfeather hasn't yet come close to facing the TOP guys.

Yes but no fighter in boxing history has ever truly dominated two divisions, there's simply not enough time in a career.

Even the great Ray Robinson was only dominant at welter, he could barely string two defenses together at middleweight ()

But he completely wrapped up and owned the superfeatherweight division beating every significant rival. I must admit I don't know much about his flyweight and bantamweight days but he won world titles at both flyweight and super bantam so am guessing he must have come close to ruling those weight classes as well whilst he was there.

When you look at the current flyweights, like Donaire, Darchinyan, Arce etc, the idea of them going through the likes of Isreal Vazquez and R Marquez before moving up to take on Stephen Leuveno then on to super featherweight to challenge Edwin Valero and Humberto Soto, before going after Nate Campbell at lightweight then up again to fight Kendall Holt etc, it just sounds completely ridiculous.

But Manny has actually gone and done that, his resume is amazing in my opinion even if Floyd comes back as far as I'm concerned he's only p4p number 2 unless he beats Manny.

Floyd fought Oscar to a split decision win, Manny just completely fucking creamed him. I can't think of any fighter who has ever moved through the weights like he has and kept his power, save for maybe Thomas Hearns, but he never started out as a flyweight!

He got knocked spark-out as the flyweight "world" champ.

His achievements are great.

But i reckon it would mean MUCH more beating the linear no.1 lightwelter, Hatton, than the two wins over Diaz and Oscar.

And obviously a WIN over Floyd would make him a proper LEGEND.

[Mr140]

Well Tommy Hearns started out at 147 and went all the way to 190 so i say he was just as powerfull i guess but dont forget what age Pacman was when he started he was 16 thats reason the weight was so low Mayweather was at that weight when he was that age in the amatures. I mean even Oscar when he was younger was in the 130 division which was not his real weight just a thought when people talk about weights you got to remeber the age at which the fighter started.

[C-Lo]

Pac's achievements are great but to say he DOMINATED divisions is going way over the top.

Featherweight - Beat Barrera, drew with Marquez (lucky to get a draw IMO), lost to Morales. He didn't even win an alphabet at the weight ().

Superfeather - A superb run.. Beat Morales X 2, Larios, Barrera and Marquez (lucky to get the decision against Marquez IMO)

Lightweight - Beat the weakest alphabet champ in Diaz. Good win, good performance, but that's it, he was EXPECTED to win EASY.

Welterweight - Beat a clearly weight-drained, ancient Oscar. Great win nonetheless considering he was UNDERDOG and the weight jump.

So.. he has great wins, for sure, but above superfeather hasn't yet come close to facing the TOP guys.

Yes but no fighter in boxing history has ever truly dominated two divisions, there's simply not enough time in a career.

Even the great Ray Robinson was only dominant at welter, he could barely string two defenses together at middleweight ()

But he completely wrapped up and owned the superfeatherweight division beating every significant rival. I must admit I don't know much about his flyweight and bantamweight days but he won world titles at both flyweight and super bantam so am guessing he must have come close to ruling those weight classes as well whilst he was there.

When you look at the current flyweights, like Donaire, Darchinyan, Arce etc, the idea of them going through the likes of Isreal Vazquez and R Marquez before moving up to take on Stephen Leuveno then on to super featherweight to challenge Edwin Valero and Humberto Soto, before going after Nate Campbell at lightweight then up again to fight Kendall Holt etc, it just sounds completely ridiculous.

But Manny has actually gone and done that, his resume is amazing in my opinion even if Floyd comes back as far as I'm concerned he's only p4p number 2 unless he beats Manny.

Floyd fought Oscar to a split decision win, Manny just completely fucking creamed him. I can't think of any fighter who has ever moved through the weights like he has and kept his power, save for maybe Thomas Hearns, but he never started out as a flyweight!

When you put it that way, it sound CRAZY! Nice analogy!