Pacquiao's place in History...

[Julius Rain]

I say his simply the best fighter that came from the lighter weight division.

ledwaba
jolio
marco 2x
eric 2x
jmm
diaz
dela hoya

diaz maybe underrated, the best lightweight at the time was casamayor but the guy who beat casamayor more convincing then jmm if not for a k.o. was beaten by Diaz (santa cruz) imo jmm was losing the match against casa when the ko happen.

lewaba is a great win, pac took that fight in two weeks notice just to be known in the states and he destroyed him.

pac should of won the fight with sanchez and not a draw. the first with jmm, no matter what anybody say. the fact is the judge made an error on the scorecard. pac should of won that as well.

btw pac was doing this on his way up to his prime, he lost to eric on his way up but he came back like a true champ and ko'ed eric, who has never been ko'ed.

I think what set pac apart is that he beats up his oppenent and not just get the "W".

Another thing with pacs career is that, his oppenent looks slow and weak when pac is on top of his game. People can say his oppenent is past their prime, they were drain, they were this and that but maybe they should consider they look that way against pac cause pac is so much faster and stronger. Anyways i just hope pac becomes one of the all time great ever, Im proud of him already. I know if I say too much non fans of him will just call me a groupie or what ever these kids call a person giving props to his fighter. Atleast all my props to pac are FACTS.

[Fenster]

I say his simply the best fighter that came from the lighter weight division.

ledwaba
jolio
marco 2x
eric 2x
jmm
diaz
dela hoya

diaz maybe underrated, the best lightweight at the time was casamayor but the guy who beat casamayor more convincing then jmm if not for a k.o. was beaten by Diaz (santa cruz) imo jmm was losing the match against casa when the ko happen.

lewaba is a great win, pac took that fight in two weeks notice just to be known in the states and he destroyed him.

pac should of won the fight with sanchez and not a draw. the first with jmm, no matter what anybody say. the fact is the judge made an error on the scorecard. pac should of won that as well.

btw pac was doing this on his way up to his prime, he lost to eric on his way up but he came back like a true champ and ko'ed eric, who has never been ko'ed.

I think what set pac apart is that he beats up his oppenent and not just get the "W".

Another thing with pacs career is that, his oppenent looks slow and weak when pac is on top of his game. People can say his oppenent is past their prime, they were drain, they were this and that but maybe they should consider they look that way against pac cause pac is so much faster and stronger. Anyways i just hope pac becomes one of the all time great ever, Im proud of him already. I know if I say too much non fans of him will just call me a groupie or what ever these kids call a person giving props to his fighter. Atleast all my props to pac are FACTS.

Trying to make Diaz look better to bolster Pac is silly. It wasn't just Casamayor rated higher than him, there's about half-a-dozen guys including - Juan Diaz and Campbell, even guys like Romanov, Katsidis etc..

You want people to accept the judges decision that Pac beat Marquez then you have to accept the judges decision that Casamayor beat Cruz. You can't have it both ways. MOST thought old Morales beat Diaz too. But the fact is he lost on the judges cards.

It's also very silly to claim somebody beat someone "more convincing but for the KO".. .. Diaz was LOSING to Cruz before the KO "saved" him.

Finally.. if you claim Pac wasn't at his best when LOSING to Morales, people can just as easily claim Morales was past his best when losing to Pac

Fact.

[Rantcatrat]

Fenster,

You've consistently minimized Pac's potential to be an all-time great (if he isn't already?) in each of your posts, but you've never stated your opininion on where he ranks were he to beat Hatton (Ring Champ at Jr. Welter) and/or PBF (former p4p#1).

[KananKrus]

Right before the fat lady is in the podium, just about ready to ceank her voice hoarse, the PacMan will be one of the greatest ever!

[KananKrus]

Right before the fat lady is in the podium, just about ready to ceank her voice hoarse, the PacMan will be one of the greatest ever!

Crank!!! Sorry me badd, Sirs.

[brucelee]

as of now, I'm rating Pac in top ten ATG. No one can deny what Pac had done. He's the modern day armstrong and becoming much better.


it's really nice to have witnessed a great fighter. Let's be happy that we have a PAcquaio in our midst.

I have a question actually. Where do we put Barrera and Morales in the ATG list?

Surely, Pac would be higher than those two.

[Fenster]

Fenster,

You've consistently minimized Pac's potential to be an all-time great (if he isn't already?) in each of your posts, but you've never stated your opininion on where he ranks were he to beat Hatton (Ring Champ at Jr. Welter) and/or PBF (former p4p#1).

Ive already refered to Pac as "great" THREE times in this thread. I answered the question in my second post.. look -

I reckon it would mean MUCH more beating the linear no.1 lightwelter, Hatton, than the two wins over Diaz and Oscar.

And obviously a WIN over Floyd would make him a proper LEGEND.

You can't get BIGGER than legend status. Numerical lists are NONSENSE - IMO.

Modern-day fighters will always be overshadowed by the dead and the near-dead

[KananKrus]

Some of the name opponents of Pacquiao that he short-circuited in his rise to boxing prominence. Gives a bit of a perspective to some, who have no inkling of the PacMan's prior exploits in the ring before he went stateside.

OPBF- Ippo Gala 1996
Sung Yul Lee - Korean prospect
Wook Ki Lee - 17-1 another Korean.
OPBF Chokchai Chockvivat 3k battery 1997
Chartchai Sasakul - 33-0 WBC Flyweight Champion.
Nadel Hussein 19-0, Australian under Fenech, who floored Pacquiao with a jab, He however lost in controversial fashion.
Seung Kon Chae 33-0

This list is easily overlooked for when this was happening, there was no interest at all thrown at the lower weights.

Pacquiao had a little bit of something to do in getting the lower weights the attention, and larger purses, it is getting now.