Mayweather vs Pac

[KananKrus]

<I have even heard PacFans go as far as saying that "Oh, see? Now we can prove that the Phillipines is way better than Mexico for boxing!" I mean, come on! Mexico has been in the boxing scene for quite a long time and almost every lower weight has a couple of champions or ranked boxers every year. And suddenly, you have a Phillipino boxer appear on the scene and for that the Phillipines is better than Mexico when it comes to boxing? I can imagine nobody followed boxing in the Phillipines before Pac made it to the spotlight. Pac is good, actually, GREAT! I can list his qualities (which I already have) but these fans won't admit his questionable decisions against JMM, these fans won't admit his flaws, these fans just can't see Pac loosing AT ALL. During interviews, 24/7 show, etc. Pac and all of his team mention over and over how ODLH is passed his prime, is old, worned out, drained, etc. And the only ones that "missed" that part were PacFans, I don't get it. Tell them Pac is fighting a heavyweight and they'll assure you Pac will win no matter what.><Chino>

Drop it man. Them discussion with CRAZIES will get you nowhere! Don't bring your level down, to make theirs go up. My Gramps used to say, "If you give credence to what matters to crazies, then you're no better than them crazies yourself". How about it?

If you do so, it frees you to just enjoy better discussions... better company!

[Chino]

I am not sure how I would enjoy this fight because I want to see them both loose badly. Mayweather, well, I admire all his talent and I am yet to see someone nowadays be as complete as him. Offense, defense, speed, accuracy, you name it! Floyd Maywetaher Jr. HAS IT ALL! It's not like we can say "Oh, he has this and that weakness" nope, come on, name one that is clear in every fight. He has fought pretty much all kinds of styles and has come out victorious. I am not so sure about his first fight against Castillo and De La Hoya though. If someone ever cuts or bruises him, that would be impressing.
Anyways, I want someone to shut his loud mouth! Would Pac be the one to do that? Then we have Pac who I admire in and out of the ring. But certain fans can just be annoying and if it wasn't because of those fans, I would be cool with him. I just want to see him loose and then see how fans take it who seem to see Pac as the complete perfect flawless boxer who's victories against JMM were 100% clear/convincing and will never ever loose even if he jumps to the heavyweights. I just hope Pac gives Mayweather all the honorable credit and respect with no excuses "My socks had the wrong color...It was a bit cloudy outside...etc."

are u sayin that his fight with Oscar was close or that he had a difficult time with his style??

No, all I am saying is that ODLH was passed his prime, old, worned out, drained, no gas left in the tank, and pretty much everything else that Pac and his whole team even mentioned. Even they all knew this was an opportunity to add a nice name to the resume. It happens all the time when boxing legends decide to stay in the ring longer than they should: Ali, Leonard, Tyson, Chavez, etc. etc. etc. and now ODLH. I am surprised people ignore this fact. Pac is good, no doubt, and keeps improving in my opinion. He just happened to fight an old, worned out, drained, passed his prime, ODLH. Just like ODLH did when he faced JC Chavez. What goes around comes around I guess.

KananKrus,
I'll give it a try.

[kingfrnk]

I am not sure how I would enjoy this fight because I want to see them both loose badly. Mayweather, well, I admire all his talent and I am yet to see someone nowadays be as complete as him. Offense, defense, speed, accuracy, you name it! Floyd Maywetaher Jr. HAS IT ALL! It's not like we can say "Oh, he has this and that weakness" nope, come on, name one that is clear in every fight. He has fought pretty much all kinds of styles and has come out victorious. I am not so sure about his first fight against Castillo and De La Hoya though. If someone ever cuts or bruises him, that would be impressing.

Anyways, I want someone to shut his loud mouth! Would Pac be the one to do that? Then we have Pac who I admire in and out of the ring. But certain fans can just be annoying and if it wasn't because of those fans, I would be cool with him. I just want to see him loose and then see how fans take it who seem to see Pac as the complete perfect flawless boxer who's victories against JMM were 100% clear/convincing and will never ever loose even if he jumps to the heavyweights. I just hope Pac gives Mayweather all the honorable credit and respect with no excuses "My socks had the wrong color...It was a bit cloudy outside...etc."

are u sayin that his fight with Oscar was close or that he had a difficult time with his style??

No, all I am saying is that ODLH was passed his prime, old, worned out, drained, no gas left in the tank, and pretty much everything else that Pac and his whole team even mentioned. Even they all knew this was an opportunity to add a nice name to the resume. It happens all the time when boxing legends decide to stay in the ring longer than they should: Ali, Leonard, Tyson, Chavez, etc. etc. etc. and now ODLH. I am surprised people ignore this fact. Pac is good, no doubt, and keeps improving in my opinion. He just happened to fight an old, worned out, drained, passed his prime, ODLH. Just like ODLH did when he faced JC Chavez. What goes around comes around I guess.

KananKrus,
I'll give it a try.

i was talkin about the floyd fight. did u think that was close??

[JT Rock]

I pick PAC to win this one...

I don't think any Pac fan would dare themselves to say they can see Pac loosing vs X guy.

You're highlighting/quoting the less relevant statement... Can you comment on the following:

"Fast southpaw Zab Judah had early success in his fight with PBF... I think PAC can duplicate that and sustain it to the later rounds..."

Thats an easy one.. Floyd figured Zab out and whooped his ass the rest of the way.. Along with Bhop Mayweather is the smartest fighter out there, Just like Zab and everyone else Mayweather has fought, got figured out Manny is no different.. Fighting an old slow plotting Oscar who just followed Manny around the ring tells us nothing about how Pac would do against Mayweather.. Believe me if Oscar fought Floyd at 147 and came in lighter than him, Mayweather would have busted him up like he did Gatti, Oscar was Flat out of the gate and had 0 energy or fire

[Chino]

i was talkin about the floyd fight. did u think that was close?

ODLH vs Mayweather?...Yes, I think it was. I never saw Mayweather completely dominating and totally destroying ODLH as many say. Didn't see ODLH connecting as much as other fights either. Both fought cautiously. I think it has a lot to do that people simply don't like him. So far, I'll say Castillo and ODLH have given Mayweather his biggest challenges.

Yes, go on people, throw tomatoes at me :P .

[kingfrnk]

i was talkin about the floyd fight. did u think that was close?

ODLH vs Mayweather?...Yes, I think it was. I never saw Mayweather completely dominating and totally destroying ODLH as many say. Didn't see ODLH connecting as much as other fights either. Both fought cautiously. I think it has a lot to do that people simply don't like him. So far, I'll say Castillo and ODLH have given Mayweather his biggest challenges.

Yes, go on people, throw tomatoes at me :P .

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

[Julius Rain]

<I have even heard PacFans go as far as saying that "Oh, see? Now we can prove that the Phillipines is way better than Mexico for boxing!" I mean, come on! Mexico has been in the boxing scene for quite a long time and almost every lower weight has a couple of champions or ranked boxers every year. And suddenly, you have a Phillipino boxer appear on the scene and for that the Phillipines is better than Mexico when it comes to boxing? I can imagine nobody followed boxing in the Phillipines before Pac made it to the spotlight. Pac is good, actually, GREAT! I can list his qualities (which I already have) but these fans won't admit his questionable decisions against JMM, these fans won't admit his flaws, these fans just can't see Pac loosing AT ALL. During interviews, 24/7 show, etc. Pac and all of his team mention over and over how ODLH is passed his prime, is old, worned out, drained, etc. And the only ones that "missed" that part were PacFans, I don't get it. Tell them Pac is fighting a heavyweight and they'll assure you Pac will win no matter what.><Chino>

Drop it man. Them discussion with CRAZIES will get you nowhere! Don't bring your level down, to make theirs go up. My Gramps used to say, "If you give credence to what matters to crazies, then you're no better than them crazies yourself". How about it?

If you do so, it frees you to just enjoy better discussions... better company!

yea chino.

[Chino]

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

None of them connected as they did in previous fights. Look at both of their faces after the fight, how they were not tired, etc. I think a lot of it has to do with people disliking ODLH. And it is clear he is disliked. So no matter what, he won't get anybody's favor.

[Mark Scott]

Mayweather too strong and accurate. Wins by kayo.

[ICB]

i was talkin about the floyd fight. did u think that was close?

ODLH vs Mayweather?...Yes, I think it was. I never saw Mayweather completely dominating and totally destroying ODLH as many say. Didn't see ODLH connecting as much as other fights either. Both fought cautiously. I think it has a lot to do that people simply don't like him. So far, I'll say Castillo and ODLH have given Mayweather his biggest challenges.

Yes, go on people, throw tomatoes at me :P .

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

Floyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.

I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.

As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.

But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.

And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.

I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.

But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.

[C-Lo]

ODLH vs Mayweather?...Yes, I think it was. I never saw Mayweather completely dominating and totally destroying ODLH as many say. Didn't see ODLH connecting as much as other fights either. Both fought cautiously. I think it has a lot to do that people simply don't like him. So far, I'll say Castillo and ODLH have given Mayweather his biggest challenges.

Yes, go on people, throw tomatoes at me :P .

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

Floyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.

I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.

As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.

But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.

And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.

I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.

But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.

Nice post ICE!

Again, I posted this earlier on in the thread, I think people are just misunderstanding Chino. What is he saying that is striking a nerve?

[kingfrnk]

ODLH vs Mayweather?...Yes, I think it was. I never saw Mayweather completely dominating and totally destroying ODLH as many say. Didn't see ODLH connecting as much as other fights either. Both fought cautiously. I think it has a lot to do that people simply don't like him. So far, I'll say Castillo and ODLH have given Mayweather his biggest challenges.

Yes, go on people, throw tomatoes at me :P .

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

Floyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.

I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.

As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.

But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.

And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.

I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.

But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.

naaa ICE i actually heard this when the last time he was on ESPN and they asked him about Cotto too.

[kingfrnk]

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

None of them connected as they did in previous fights. Look at both of their faces after the fight, how they were not tired, etc. I think a lot of it has to do with people disliking ODLH. And it is clear he is disliked. So no matter what, he won't get anybody's favor.

i dont dislike ODLH i dislike Calzaghe Floyd might not have dominated offensivly but he did defensivly. But oscar did get alot of rounds in but i dont see how.

[ICB]

he dominated by making Oscar miss damn near everyshot if that counts. but Oscar got undeserved rounds IMO. i also heard Mayweather said himself that Agustus was the hardest fight he ever had.

Floyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.

I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.

As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.

But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.

And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.

I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.

But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.

naaa ICE i actually heard this when the last time he was on ESPN and they asked him about Cotto too.

Maybe it was the most he was hurt because he got a broken nose, in the Emanuel Augustus fight, but despite the punch that broke his nose. Believe me all you have to do is watch the fight to know it wasn't nowhere near as tough as his fights against Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, ETC.

[kingfrnk]

Floyd Mayweather said Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight at that time, which it probably was. But that was before he fought Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo, ETC. Which were way tougher fights, the Emanuel Burton fight wasn't that tough.

I've seen it many times and except for the punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose. I just see Emanuel Augustus get dominated mostly, i didn't see him give Floyd Mayweather that many problems, although it was still a very brave effort from Emanuel Augustus.

As for Chino's comments i don't see any problem at all with what he has said. ODLH wasn't dominated in the Floyd Mayweather fight he is right about that. I had Floyd Mayweather winning by 3 or 4 rounds, but after 9 rounds it was pretty close, until Floyd Mayweather took over in the later rounds.

But i still think ODLH was somewhat effective with his jab, but he stopped using it because he got tired, which didn't help with the way Floyd Mayweather was making him miss. You expend alot more energy when you miss big power punches, and it was also due to Floyd Mayweather countering ODLH, over his jab with perfect right hands, which did stun him a few times. Which also made him think twice about throwing it.

And he is right about ODLH's performance it was a very poor performance, it was probably the worst i've seen ODLH since the Felix Sturm fight. But i still think it was due to him being weight drained and ETC. Remember its been almost a decade since he fought at Welterweight. So i do disagree with you slightly Chino. I don't think he is a finished fighter at all.

I think if he comeback at Jr Middleweight he would still be a force. But i would rather him retire now, i just think people are being unfair to Chino IMO. He has gave Manny Pacquiao credit and i also give Manny Pacquiao a hell of alot of credit, Manny Pacquiao fought an amazing fight. But that still doesn't mean we can't comment on how bad ODLH looked, and he did look pretty bad IMO.

But Manny Pacquiao done more than enough of what was asked of him, and thats dominate and stop ODLH. He couldn't of done it any more impressively, and i think he should stay between 135-140 from now on i think thats a perfect weight range for him and theres so many good fights to be made. Nate Campbell, JMM, Ricky Hatton, Joan Guzman, ETC. I think he should only fight at Welterweight again if he gets a fight with Floyd Mayweather, because there size difference isn't that much at all.

naaa ICE i actually heard this when the last time he was on ESPN and they asked him about Cotto too.

Maybe it was the most he was hurt because he got a broken nose, in the Emanuel Augustus fight, but despite the punch that broke his nose. Believe me all you have to do is watch the fight to know it wasn't nowhere near as tough as his fights against Jose Luis Castillo, Jesus Chavez, ETC.

i always considered Castillo his hardest fight but he said it himself that Agustus was his hardest he ever had. and i have seen the agustus fight i still say Castillo was his hardest ever.