Does anybody think Valuev won?

[liz]

there is no way in hell Valuev won. he didnt give off any shots, the only thing he did was get dizzy going round in circles following holyfield.

[porkypara]

Wonder what the punch stats were?

[Kel]

Wonder what the punch stats were?

Did they show any? I don't remember seeing them

[killersheep]

Wonder what the punch stats were?

I'm guessing something like this

Valuev 3/25

Holyfield 9/40

that's my best guess, honestly it wouldn't be that hard to count by hand on this one.

I don't know how anyone could give Valuev more than 3 rounds. It's not as if he was even throwing anything.

[J_C]

there is no way in hell Valuev won. he didnt give off any shots, the only thing he did was get dizzy going round in circles following holyfield.

This comment also echoes my points I was trying to illustrate. If we can agree that neither fighter threw anything of substance in a lot of the rounds, then how is Holyfield winning the rounds by allowing Valuev to follow him around the ring (albeit bloody slowly).

[GAME]

there is no way in hell Valuev won. he didnt give off any shots, the only thing he did was get dizzy going round in circles following holyfield.

This comment also echoes my points I was trying to illustrate. If we can agree that neither fighter threw anything of substance in a lot of the rounds, then how is Holyfield winning the rounds by allowing Valuev to follow him around the ring (albeit bloody slowly).

Cuz Holyfield was countering him

[Kel]

there is no way in hell Valuev won. he didnt give off any shots, the only thing he did was get dizzy going round in circles following holyfield.

This comment also echoes my points I was trying to illustrate. If we can agree that neither fighter threw anything of substance in a lot of the rounds, then how is Holyfield winning the rounds by allowing Valuev to follow him around the ring (albeit bloody slowly).

Ok, Holyfield landed more punches than Valuev no doubt at all in my mind about that.

When rounds are slow with nothing much going on you can score that round on ring generalship. He took away Valuev's attack by using lateral movement, something he(Valuev) could not adapt to.

How did you manage to score the fight in Valuev's favour anyway?

[J_C]

[/quote]Ok, Holyfield landed more punches than Valuev no doubt at all in my mind about that.

When rounds are slow with nothing much going on you can score that round on ring generalship. He took away Valuev's attack by using lateral movement, something he(Valuev) could not adapt to.[/quote]

I thought Valuev threw more, Holyfield landed more. Id be very interested in seeing the punch stats (where can we get hold of them?).

I totally see your point but the counter argument is that there is a fine line between executing this gameplan and just running away staying out of range. Is taking away Valuevs attack by ignoring your own enough to win a round. I totally see Holy's gameplan and it was executed well enough in some rounds, its just a shame he couldnt have gone in and out more as then there would have been a clear winner (in my eyes).

There were a bunch of rounds where Holyfield threw nothing and just circled staying out of harms way. Valuev followed him around slowly and pawed out the jab, rarely landing but pawing out all the same. Imo those are Valuev rounds.

[El Kabong]

Perhaps the judges misunderstood the scoring, they may have been using the Yehti rules (a common mistake in Russia) in which case Ring Generalship is swapped out for who has the most pronounced forehead, Clean Punches are changed out for hairiness, and good defense is put aside for height.......in which case Nicolay Valuev CLEARLY dominated Holyfield......by the Yehti rules of course, in boxing he got his big ass whupt

[Plopeater]

I don't know if this can happen but i had the fight a draw 0 - 0 is was that piss poor, best case 108 - 108 , no-one did enough to a single round

The HW scene is a disgrace having them 2 fight for a World Title