Does anybody think Valuev won?

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Evander bounced around on his toes

Hes not back on reality telly in a ball room dancing competition unfortunately, Valuev did outland him, Holyfield did bugger all other then skirt around the ring

[Slowmotion426]

Way past time for Holyfield to retire. Valuev won.

[KananKrus]

The judges actually was doing Holyfield a favor, IMO. Sending him a message to hang it up while he still can, and before getting seriously hurt.

[killersheep]

Evander bounced around on his toes

Hes not back on reality telly in a ball room dancing competition unfortunately, Valuev did outland him, Holyfield did bugger all other then skirt around the ring

According to the punch track stats Holyfield outlanded Valuev, Holyfield effectively countered Valuev and fought his fight all 12 rounds. Horrible fight, but Holyfield based on any scenario other that missed punches won this easily. Here is the criteria for scoring a round


clean punching. Knowing that Valuev landed 13% and indeed during the bout Valuev landed one meaningful shot the entire match. I would give a maximum 3 rounds to Valuev based on this criteria.

effective aggressiveness. Did not exist in this bout IMO I could not award this category to either combatant because of lack of activity.

ring generalship. Clearly Holyfield wins here, he fought his fight all 12 rounds, Valuev did nothing but clumsily pivot and throw wide shots on the occasion that he threw at all, Holyfield CHOSE the range, tempo and angles.

defense. Holyfield was landing when he threw and Valuev wasn't. Holyfield owns this too.
I don't understand how anyone could give this fight to Valuev..

[Bomp]

Just watched a couple rounds. Valuev is beyond a joke now. Chagaev needs to up the pace and try and KO him next time, so we're rid of him. He was a curiousity at first, and is a naturally tough guy, but should not be champ of the world.

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According to the punch track stats Holyfield outlanded Valuev

Id like to know where you got the stats from because Ive seen so many people give Holyfield the first and last rounds on punches landed and its just bullshiit.

I say he first and last because they were the only 2 I could be bothered to rewatch and count and Holyfield is outpunched, someone on here claimed to have counted the first round punches and Valuev only had 2!! Rubbish, he didn t land a great deal more but he did land more.

Also, ring generlship is not running around, controling the centre of the ring and bossing a fight is, thats why its called general....ship.

Im more annoyed with Valuev for not putting more of an effort in because in the late rounds he could have quite easy just pushed the old drug cheat over

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Id like to know where you got the stats from because Ive seen so many people give Holyfield the first and last rounds on punches landed and its just bullshiit.

I say he first and last because they were the only 2 I could be bothered to rewatch and count and Holyfield is outpunched, someone on here claimed to have counted the first round punches and Valuev only had 2!! Rubbish, he didn t land a great deal more but he did land more.

Also, ring generlship is not running around, controling the centre of the ring and bossing a fight is, thats why its called general....ship.

Im more annoyed with Valuev for not putting more of an effort in because in the late rounds he could have quite easy just pushed the old drug cheat over

According to the 1929 Rules of the New York State Athletic Commission, for example, “ring generalship” comprised "such points as the ability to quickly grasp and take advantage of every opportunity offered, the capacity to cope with all kinds of situations which may arise; to foresee and neutralize an opponent’s method of attack; to force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."

[Kel]

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According to the 1929 Rules of the New York State Athletic Commission, for example, “ring generalship” comprised "such points as the ability to quickly grasp and take advantage of every opportunity offered, the capacity to cope with all kinds of situations which may arise; to foresee and neutralize an opponent’s method of attack; to force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."

And what he said

[ross]

force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."

You mean like Valuev forcing Evan Fields in to his Fred Astair routine

[killersheep]

force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."

You mean like Valuev forcing Evan Fields in to his Fred Astair routine

Holyfield's strategy was to keep Valuev turning and counter when Yeti got close. He did that, Valuev looked unskilled in the chase. Tell me ross, what was Valuev's strategy?

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When you are Valuevs size, you dont need a strategy.

Evan against the Kilitschkos hed dwarf them, being 4 to 6 inches taller than the tallest one, depending on what height you believe himt o be, 7 foot or 7,2".

All Valuev has to do is keep punching and walk his man down, its little boxers like Holyfield who have to adapt how they fight for such a huge man.

[Kel]

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Id like to know where you got the stats from because Ive seen so many people give Holyfield the first and last rounds on punches landed and its just bullshiit.

I say he first and last because they were the only 2 I could be bothered to rewatch and count and Holyfield is outpunched, someone on here claimed to have counted the first round punches and Valuev only had 2!! Rubbish, he didn t land a great deal more but he did land more.

Also, ring generlship is not running around, controling the centre of the ring and bossing a fight is, thats why its called general....ship.

Im more annoyed with Valuev for not putting more of an effort in because in the late rounds he could have quite easy just pushed the old drug cheat over

Ring generalship involves neutralising your opponents offence, Holyfield did plenty of that in my opinion, using his movement.

[Kel]

Evander bounced around on his toes

Hes not back on reality telly in a ball room dancing competition unfortunately, Valuev did outland him, Holyfield did bugger all other then skirt around the ring

He made Valuev look as poor as he always has been. Valuev can't hit a moving target for shit!..He ain't got the speed to land one. Holyfields ring generalship won rounds, Valuev could not mount any form of attack.