Does anybody think Valuev won?

[Spicoli]

I wanted to see Holyfield counterpunch believe me but I didnt hardly see that really I have to say. Not anything to do with Holy not countering when Valuev landed of course but EVRYTHING to do with the whole fight being fought out of range! There was nothing to counter cos nothing was happening! It was an absolutely bizzare fight, like Holyfield fought if he stayed out of range and circled enough eventually Valuev would get dizzy and hit the deck

Orrr....He fought like a man who was outweighed by 100 + lbs,an 11 year age diference,and has been on the down slide for more than a few years,yet he still maintained enough activity to make/keep Valuev overthinking things and apparently deficiant in enough confidence to fight as a Heavyweight Champion.The fight was a bore.....but when does the Fav. and Champion shoulder some responsibility for stinking out the place?If he can not catch up to the old man who is throwing minimal counters and force a taxing pace on him with the age,weight,height advantages he had....Thats on him.Vauev fought like a 2nd rate challenger.

[RP33]

I wanted to see Holyfield counterpunch believe me but I didnt hardly see that really I have to say. Not anything to do with Holy not countering when Valuev landed of course but EVRYTHING to do with the whole fight being fought out of range! There was nothing to counter cos nothing was happening! It was an absolutely bizzare fight, like Holyfield fought if he stayed out of range and circled enough eventually Valuev would get dizzy and hit the deck

Orrr....He fought like a man who was outweighed by 100 + lbs,an 11 year age diference,and has been on the down slide for more than a few years,yet he still maintained enough activity to make/keep Valuev overthinking things and apparently deficiant in enough confidence to fight as a Heavyweight Champion.The fight was a bore.....but when does the Fav. and Champion shoulder some responsibility for stinking out the place?If he can not catch up to the old man who is throwing minimal counters and force a taxing pace on him with the age,weight,height advantages he had....Thats on him.Vauev fought like a 2nd rate challenger.

EXACTLY..

that's something like what i was going to say..

directed towards J_C.. Holyfield was not running, he was being smart.. He knows he's not going to win a brawl with someone SO MUCH bigger than him, and was trying to get in and out as much as possible.. Running would have been if Valuev actually attempted to put Evander on the ropes, or walk him into a corner, and Evander was trying to escape instead of fight back.. This was not the case..

You do not get points or an advantage for coming into the ring the bigger guy, and the fight should not be scored that way..

[J_C]

Hey guys,

Me and my mate who is also into boxing analysed this fight this afternoon for about an hour and a half. Pretty sick and sadistic I know as it was such a bad fight but we disagreed on the outcome (he had Holy winning by a few points) and we wanted to settle our dispute. We counted everything thrown and everything landed (which isnt quite as time consuming as it may sound due to the lack of activity in the fight). Obviously theres some margin for error but I think we did a good job.

Here are the punch stats...(Round - Valuev - Holyfield)

1 - 37/2 - 19/6
2 - 21/2 - 13/6
3 - 23/2 - 11/7
4 - 32/6 - 18/8
5 - 24/2 - 19/5
6 - 51/7 - 13/6
7 - 37/9 - 13/7
8 - 40/9 - 27/6
9 - 29/5 - 20/4
10 - 35/3 - 17/5
11 - 30/4 - 18/7
12 - 43/1 - 15/3

Valuev 52/402 13%
Holyfield 70/203 34%

As I suspected and said earlier in the thread Valuev threw more but Holyfield landed more. Valuev threw twice as many infact although it really has to be said the majority of those were very weak jabs that never found the target whatsoever. The fact still remains that Valuev threw more in all 12 rounds. Holyfield connected more in 8 from the 12 rounds.

We fully agreed that Holyfield won rounds 2,3,5 and 11 and Valuev won rounds 6,7 and 8.

The other 5 rounds there could all be some debate on and were hard to score. It should be noted that Holyfield did score more connects in 4 of those 5 however.

Upon rewatching the fight I scored it 116-115 in favour of Holyfield. Still very very close though! And I 100% dispute anyone who says it was a clearcut shutout type win still.

[The Fightfan]

Does anybody think Valuev won?

Not me

[killersheep]

Hey guys,

Me and my mate who is also into boxing analysed this fight this afternoon for about an hour and a half. Pretty sick and sadistic I know as it was such a bad fight but we disagreed on the outcome (he had Holy winning by a few points) and we wanted to settle our dispute. We counted everything thrown and everything landed (which isnt quite as time consuming as it may sound due to the lack of activity in the fight). Obviously theres some margin for error but I think we did a good job.

Here are the punch stats...(Round - Valuev - Holyfield)

1 - 37/2 - 19/6
2 - 21/2 - 13/6
3 - 23/2 - 11/7
4 - 32/6 - 18/8
5 - 24/2 - 19/5
6 - 51/7 - 13/6
7 - 37/9 - 13/7
8 - 40/9 - 27/6
9 - 29/5 - 20/4
10 - 35/3 - 17/5
11 - 30/4 - 18/7
12 - 43/1 - 15/3

Valuev 52/402 13%
Holyfield 70/203 34%

As I suspected and said earlier in the thread Valuev threw more but Holyfield landed more. Valuev threw twice as many infact although it really has to be said the majority of those were very weak jabs that never found the target whatsoever. The fact still remains that Valuev threw more in all 12 rounds. Holyfield connected more in 8 from the 12 rounds.

We fully agreed that Holyfield won rounds 2,3,5 and 11 and Valuev won rounds 6,7 and 8.

The other 5 rounds there could all be some debate on and were hard to score. It should be noted that Holyfield did score more connects in 4 of those 5 however.

Upon rewatching the fight I scored it 116-115 in favour of Holyfield. Still very very close though! And I 100% dispute anyone who says it was a clearcut shutout type win still.

Wow Valuev averaged 4.3 landed punches per round!! That's horrible. And the exclamation point is the championship round he landed one punch!!
Just out of curiousity what did Valuev do that made you give him rounds 6,7 and 8, was it just activity?

[Boom Boom]

J_C you definately put the effort into judging the fight objectively, and came out with a different result. I comend you for that cause I know you had Valuev winning originally. I still think Holy won 10-2 or 9-3 based on his better percentage landed and more punches landed. The close rounds I couldnt give to give to Valuev based on him only landing 3 or 4 punches and Holyfield landing more while staying a step ahead and making Valuev miss. Still low numbers but enough to win the rounds. No masterpiece by any means but Evander should have won.