Does anybody think Valuev won?

[killersheep]

force an opponent to adopt a style of boxing at which he is not particularly skillful."

You mean like Valuev forcing Evan Fields in to his Fred Astair routine

Holyfield's strategy was to keep Valuev turning and counter when Yeti got close. He did that, Valuev looked unskilled in the chase. Tell me ross, what was Valuev's strategy?

[ross]

When you are Valuevs size, you dont need a strategy.

Evan against the Kilitschkos hed dwarf them, being 4 to 6 inches taller than the tallest one, depending on what height you believe himt o be, 7 foot or 7,2".

All Valuev has to do is keep punching and walk his man down, its little boxers like Holyfield who have to adapt how they fight for such a huge man.

[killersheep]

When you are Valuevs size, you dont need a strategy.

Evan against the Kilitschkos hed dwarf them, being 4 to 6 inches taller than the tallest one, depending on what height you believe himt o be, 7 foot or 7,2".

All Valuev has to do is keep punching and walk his man down, its little boxers like Holyfield who have to adapt how they fight for such a huge man.

There you go, he didn't do that. Next question, what would you have changed in Holyfields plan, or what do you feel Holyfield failed to do in his strategy?

[CGM]

Downloaded the fight yesterday, watched only the first round, then I got bored. But I thought Valuev could easily have won the first round, which seems to go against popular wisdom. Do other people see the first round as being typical? Or did Holyfield assert himself more as the fight went on?

[killersheep]

Downloaded the fight yesterday, watched only the first round, then I got bored. But I thought Valuev could easily have won the first round, which seems to go against popular wisdom. Do other people see the first round as being typical? Or did Holyfield assert himself more as the fight went on?

It was an absolutely dreadful fight to watch, I gave most rounds to Holy because he had answers for almost everything that Valuev threw, and he was executing his gameplan. Garbage fight, Holyfield deserved the nod big time though. Valuev did nothing of value, most of what little he threw missed or got countered and at no point was the fight on Valuev's terms.
I really don't want this argument to escalate because I hope I never have to see it again.

[CGM]

Downloaded the fight yesterday, watched only the first round, then I got bored. But I thought Valuev could easily have won the first round, which seems to go against popular wisdom. Do other people see the first round as being typical? Or did Holyfield assert himself more as the fight went on?

It was an absolutely dreadful fight to watch, I gave most rounds to Holy because he had answers for almost everything that Valuev threw, and he was executing his gameplan. Garbage fight, Holyfield deserved the nod big time though. Valuev did nothing of value, most of what little he threw missed or got countered and at no point was the fight on Valuev's terms.
I really don't want this argument to escalate because I hope I never have to see it again.

That's fine by me. Have a good one.

[Beanflicker]

I know this was a very boring fight and not much happened, but to those who think Valuev won, you either no nothing about boxing or you're judging criteria is SERIOUSLY misaligned. I hate to sound like a jerk and I'm usually very open and tolerant of other opinions but man, TERRIBLE decision.

[ross]

what would you have changed in Holyfields plan, or what do you feel Holyfield failed to do in his strategy?

He failed to work, he didnt get anyones attention with any eye catching work, or just......work, the best anyone could say about Holyfield is that he managed to move well on his legs for a 46 year old for the full 12 rounds but then he wasnt under any real pressure.

Valuev did more than Holyfield which gives him the win.

[killersheep]

what would you have changed in Holyfields plan, or what do you feel Holyfield failed to do in his strategy?

He failed to work, he didnt get anyones attention with any eye catching work, or just......work, the best anyone could say about Holyfield is that he managed to move well on his legs for a 46 year old for the full 12 rounds but then he wasnt under any real pressure.

Valuev did more than Holyfield which gives him the win.

This is where we disagree, Valuev didn't do anything.

[ross]

Should have gone to specsavers

If you watch the fight objectively and not nostalgicly for a 46 year old legend and actually noted just the punches im sure youd see it different, whether anyone would want to admit that is another matter

[killersheep]

Should have gone to specsavers

If you watch the fight objectively and not nostalgicly for a 46 year old legend and actually noted just the punches im sure youd see it different, whether anyone would want to admit that is another matter

Are you saying I didn't watch it objectively? I have clearly stated my case. You still have not made a convincing argument that Valuev won.
I noted only ONE exchange in that fight that Valuev got a shot in without getting countered.

Explain your views on the four criteria of judging a round as I did, that way we can have an apples to apples argument