Cotto may never be the same

[OumaFan]

It took him like one second to make up his mind after asking are you OK?

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.

After seeing him lose to Maragarito, do you think he'd beat the other elite welters

I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

You know what I like about you Chino? How original all your posts are. You don't limit yourself to one topic or say the same things over and over again like a some posters; you've got a lot to say, and you present it in as unbiased a way a possible, backing up all your assertions with solid facts.

Good job

Agreed. If you said to me who's the worst poster on this board you know who I'm sure I wouldn't pick, Chino.

[CFH]

He looked into his face and asked twice "Are you ok?...Are you ok?..." while Taylor probably thought if a freight train just ran over him.
He's fighting just another journeyman like the rest in his list so I am not really getting all hyped up about his fight with Jennings. Sure, I can see some people in this forum going "Ooooh my gaaaaaawd! He totally beat the Great Jennings!" but really, it's just a stepping stone and I wouldn't be surprised if Jennings cuts, rocks, and hurts Cotto like past fights against other journeymen. Let's see how he does in his rematch or any other young big name in their prime.
I wonder the same. How would he handle fighting against an elite young big name in his prime. Anybody can look good beating bunch of has-beens or journeymen. In his case, he has looked bad facing some journeymen. Let's wait until his rematch. I am not so hyped about the Jennings fight.

You know what I like about you Chino? How original all your posts are. You don't limit yourself to one topic or say the same things over and over again like a some posters; you've got a lot to say, and you present it in as unbiased a way a possible, backing up all your assertions with solid facts.

Good job

Agreed. If you said to me who's the worst poster on this board you know who I'm sure I wouldn't pick, Chino.

Nor would I. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but it is an absolute travesty that you are a MOD while Chino's posting achievements go unrecognized. I think it's only proper that you give up your modship and bestow it upon Chino. It will be to the benefit of all mankind.

[Chino]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

[CFH]

You guys are making me blush

I'm confused. How does this post relate to Cotto's level of opposition or Oscar Dela Hoya?

Edit: Oh, I see you've edited your post. It's all clear now.

[TitoFan]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more. "Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along? And your next statement about Jennings is just as ludicrous. Where do you get off making these broad statements as if they were facts? I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar.

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me.

[Onix]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more. "Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along? And your next statement about Jennings is just as ludicrous. Where do you get off making these broad statements as if they were facts? I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar.

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me.

That last part would have been a good place for you to insert names of boxers that you think would be noteworthy to back up your claim

[TitoFan]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more. "Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along? And your next statement about Jennings is just as ludicrous. Where do you get off making these broad statements as if they were facts? I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar.

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me.

That last part would have been a good place for you to insert names of boxers that you think would be noteworthy to back up your claim

Dude, do your own research. I don't feel the need to defend Cotto's opponents coming up, because you and Chino will only find faults with all of them. But the bottom line is: Cotto has never ducked anyone, has always fought whomever they put in front of him, has always shown a way to adapt his style to suit his opponent (until Margarito, that is), and has proven to be a worthy champion and elite fighter. He talks with his fists, not his mouth. AND... he took on probably the most ducked fighter in the game today. There's a reason why a fighter that was virtually ignored or underestimated during the first part of his career is now one of boxing's more popular fighters.

[Onix]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more. "Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along? And your next statement about Jennings is just as ludicrous. Where do you get off making these broad statements as if they were facts? I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar.

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me.

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more. "Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along? And your next statement about Jennings is just as ludicrous. Where do you get off making these broad statements as if they were facts? I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar.

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me.

That last part would have been a good place for you to insert names of boxers that you think would be noteworthy to back up your claim

Dude, do your own research. I don't feel the need to defend Cotto's opponents coming up, because you and Chino will only find faults with all of them. But the bottom line is: Cotto has never ducked anyone, has always fought whomever they put in front of him, has always shown a way to adapt his style to suit his opponent (until Margarito, that is), and has proven to be a worthy champion and elite fighter. He talks with his fists, not his mouth. AND... he took on probably the most ducked fighter in the game today. There's a reason why a fighter that was virtually ignored or underestimated during the first part of his career is now one of boxing's more popular fighters.

I wasnt taking sides I was just trying to help you get your point across with some back up. I can think oif a few but it was your argument.

[TitoFan]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more. "Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along? And your next statement about Jennings is just as ludicrous. Where do you get off making these broad statements as if they were facts? I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar.

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me.

That last part would have been a good place for you to insert names of boxers that you think would be noteworthy to back up your claim

Dude, do your own research. I don't feel the need to defend Cotto's opponents coming up, because you and Chino will only find faults with all of them. But the bottom line is: Cotto has never ducked anyone, has always fought whomever they put in front of him, has always shown a way to adapt his style to suit his opponent (until Margarito, that is), and has proven to be a worthy champion and elite fighter. He talks with his fists, not his mouth. AND... he took on probably the most ducked fighter in the game today. There's a reason why a fighter that was virtually ignored or underestimated during the first part of his career is now one of boxing's more popular fighters.

I wasnt taking sides I was just trying to help you get your point across with some back up. I can think oif a few but it was your argument.

ok...

But listen, this is where I tend to get on my soap box. It's always been the popular argument among anti-Cotto fans that he's never fought anybody of merit. I find that totally baseless and ludicrous. I know names like John Brown, Cesar Bazan, Abdullaev, and Rocky Martinez don't hold much water with the average fan... but all have been tough and worthy opponents. Brown, as was Abdullaev, was considered a troublesome opponent that other fighters tended to avoid. I watched a lot of these early fights. There were no gimmies.

Matter of fact, Cotto was fighting boxers with good, winning records as early as his 6th pro fight. Compare this to a legend like Julio Cesar Chavez, and you'll see the disparity right there. Look down the list of Cotto's opponents after his first 8 or so fights. You won't find a soft touch among them, with the exception of Alfonzo Gomez (who Chino ridiculously says us Cotto fans got excited over), and maybe Carlos Maussa, who has never impressed me much.

I'm willing to go opponent-by-opponent with the Cotto haters and discuss their merits or lack thereof. But what would that resolve? Not a damn thing. The haters will continue being haters... right, Chino?

[Andre]

You guys are making me blush

Thank you CHF. Some things have to be repeated as much as the same topics keep coming back over and over. All it takes is a look at Cotto's resume and see how many big names in their primes did he fight. Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez, go figure. I wouldn't be surprised if many Cotto fans think beating Jennings would be a great accomplishment. He is comparable to other guys he have faced really.

On a different note: You know if youre not doing anything with your cash you can triple your money if you buy one of those old timber encased bridges from down south and resell the antique timber into the furniture trade.

[Chino]

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more.

Here we go again TitoFan. Nope, its not like that. See, I root for Oscar but I don't blind myself from the things he should improve or whatever. Lots of Cotto and Pac fans make a tear drama when someone dares themselves to mention something negative.

"Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along?

Go back to the threads that praise Cotto's "outstanding, great, awesome, etc." victory over Gomez.

I for one have never claimed Cotto walks on water, as you do with Oscar

Then you have not read everything I have said about Oscar. I have even acknowledged how his plan totally backfired, how he didn't look good against Forbes and how getting hurt by Forbes ment he would get hurt easily vs Pac, etc. I am yet to see you dare yourself say something negative about Cotto. But if you can't think of something, I'll help you out .

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me

Tell me something, is Michael Jennings a REAL THREAT to Cotto? Come ooooon. Look at Jenning's resume and tell me if he has an admirable resume. The last couple of guys he fought have no KO power and come from KO losses to face him, still, they took Jennings to a decision. Now he's stepping up to face Cotto, good luck Jennings! I wouldn't be surprised if you and other Cotto fans got as excited as when Cotto beat Gomez but I wouldn't be surprised as well if Jennings cut, rocked, and hurt Cotto just like other journeymen have already. Have you seen all or at least MOST of Cotto's fights? If not, I recommend you to see them so you can understand why I say he has been rocked, cut, exposed, hurt, almost had a fight stopped, etc. By bunch of journeymen or has-beens. Now answer this, was Mosley and Judah on their primes when they faced Cotto? Besides two fighters passed their primes tell me who has Cotto faced that we can go "Oh wow!" and we'll talk about their resumes.
Cotto's resume can't really be compared to Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, etc. Do you agree?

On a different note: You know if youre not doing anything with your cash you can triple your money if you buy one of those old timber encased bridges from down south and resell the antique timber into the furniture trade

As long as these topics keep coming back over and over you'll probably find me in there repeating the same thing. Go tell that to the people that start these threads. I am going to save it somewhere and just paste it whenever the same topics come back .
As for the thread, what is your opinion?

[Andre]

Ok you asked.

Originally i took the thread at face value and thought it is worthy of discussion as to if it has had lasting effects on Miguel that he may mentally have trouble getting over in a rematch.

Now I think the thread has turned into a platform for people who tie their ego to their choosen fighter to launch it into the forum at others who just hold a different point of view or like a different fighter.
I also knew exactly what CFH was impling.

[Onix]

Ok you asked.

Originally i took the thread at face value and thought it is worthy of discussion as to if it has had lasting effects on Miguel that he may mentally have trouble getting over in a rematch.

Now I think the thread has turned into a platform for people who tie their ego to their choosen fighter to launch it into the forum at others who just hold a different point of view or like a different fighter.
I also knew exactly what CFH was impling.

ya the thread did go into a different direction didnt it, bu its all boxing so Im entertained. Im actually amazed at the in-depth knowledge that some of the posters have even if its just on one fighter.

[Andre]

Ok you asked.

Originally i took the thread at face value and thought it is worthy of discussion as to if it has had lasting effects on Miguel that he may mentally have trouble getting over in a rematch.

Now I think the thread has turned into a platform for people who tie their ego to their choosen fighter to launch it into the forum at others who just hold a different point of view or like a different fighter.
I also knew exactly what CFH was impling.

ya the thread did go into a different direction didnt it, bu its all boxing so Im entertained. Im actually amazed at the in-depth knowledge that some of the posters have even if its just on one fighter.

No reflection on you bro, Your thread has been great and all in fair play;I'm being harsh here I know sorry.Its a run over from another thread.
But some other threads lately have been destroyed by posters just trying to tear down other posters for the sake of looking correct themselves.We all got different points of view,we should; as you say enjoy them, even argue over them and thats great.

There is really no need for the "you know nothing" style of comments and latley worse gets posted.

It just puts off new guys who are sitting back reading for the first time, from ever posting in here because they think whatever their opinion they will will be shot down by someone who just wants only their own opinion to rule at everyone elses expense.

You see it in here all the time and its great when people stake their flag into the hill and if it stands up to the tests that are thrown at it,cause they have a different point of view thats great too, then they are respected by most in here anyway right or wrong because they went about it correctly.

Some of late in other threads have come in and and tried to nail their flag directly into the top of someone elses head instead , (they come in aiming) with personal attacks with degrading comments etc which is not the way to make friends. Anyway theres another forum that breeds that style of posting.

[TitoFan]

You are as anti-Cotto as I am anti-Oscar... maybe more.

Here we go again TitoFan. Nope, its not like that. See, I root for Oscar but I don't blind myself from the things he should improve or whatever. Lots of Cotto and Pac fans make a tear drama when someone dares themselves to mention something negative.

"Many Cotto fans got totally excited about his victory against Gomez"?!? Seriously, where do you GET this sh*t? Do you just make it up as you go along?

Go back to the threads that praise Cotto's "outstanding, great, awesome, etc." victory over Gomez.
Then you have not read everything I have said about Oscar. I have even acknowledged how his plan totally backfired, how he didn't look good against Forbes and how getting hurt by Forbes ment he would get hurt easily vs Pac, etc. I am yet to see you dare yourself say something negative about Cotto. (When I become involved in a discussion with an objective fan of boxing, and not an obsessed anti-Cotto person such as yourself, I'll discuss negative things about Cotto. On you, I won't waste my spit). But if you can't think of something, I'll help you out .

Oh, and claiming Cotto never fought any worthy opponents is not knowing very much about boxing. I'm sorry, but your act wears very thin with me

Tell me something, is Michael Jennings a REAL THREAT to Cotto? (Did I SAY Jennings was a threat? Tell me... does your brain fully process what you're about to type? Seriously...) Come ooooon. Look at Jenning's resume and tell me if he has an admirable resume. The last couple of guys he fought have no KO power and come from KO losses to face him, still, they took Jennings to a decision. Now he's stepping up to face Cotto, good luck Jennings! I wouldn't be surprised if you and other Cotto fans got as excited as when Cotto beat Gomez but I wouldn't be surprised as well if Jennings cut, rocked, and hurt Cotto just like other journeymen have already. Have you seen all or at least MOST of Cotto's fights? (Yes... I've seen most of them. What's your point?) If not, I recommend you to see them so you can understand why I say he has been rocked, cut, exposed, hurt, almost had a fight stopped, etc. By bunch of journeymen or has-beens. ("Journeymen or has-beens"... your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. But lately you're getting downright annoying). Now answer this, was Mosley and Judah on their primes when they faced Cotto? Besides two fighters passed their primes tell me who has Cotto faced that we can go "Oh wow!" and we'll talk about their resumes.
Cotto's resume can't really be compared to Mayweather, Oscar De La Hoya, etc. Do you agree?

On a different note: You know if youre not doing anything with your cash you can triple your money if you buy one of those old timber encased bridges from down south and resell the antique timber into the furniture trade

As long as these topics keep coming back over and over you'll probably find me in there repeating the same thing. Go tell that to the people that start these threads. I am going to save it somewhere and just paste it whenever the same topics come back .
As for the thread, what is your opinion?

Truthfully, I'm getting tired of debating the same sh*t with you over and over again. So from now on, let's just agree to disagree. Capiche?