Calzaghe-Hagler?

[RozzySean]

Marvin had a great sun as middlweight champ, but i don't think he was a great skilled fighter... some what of a magarito type fighter - his chin allowed him to fight his fight and force the guy onto the back foot and break them down.

When he fought truly skilled fighter like Ray and duran, even though they were MUCH MUCH smaller than him, look at the trouble he had... i mean true great natural middleweight should not get beat by a normal sized Welter, no matter how skilled they are, let alone one who had been so inactive... and duran, best @ lightweight... almost beat marvin...

of course being such a "fan boy" i am going to pick Joe... early on it could be 50/50 if joe fought a bit silly... but even if that was the case, take the kessler fight, he knows how to adapt and fight right, he has always done it so i see no reason for him not to do it if this fictious fight happened...

marvin was pretty easy to work, two steps into every move, good fighters can see it coming and know what he was going, he didn't has a great array of punches either, it was just non stop pressure backed up by that rock solid chin of his.

Stick to Joe Calzaghe you haven't got a clue about Marvin Hagler, do you realize he used to be a skilled counter puncher who used movement ? and that only in the last few years of his career did he fight more aggressively coming forward . And please do not compare Antonio Margarito/Marvin Hagler that is a ridiculous comment. Marvin Hagler even when he was pressuring was a very skilled fighter, who jabbed his way in. Cut off the ring and used a good variety of punches. And Roberto Duran almost beat Marvin Hagler ? stop looking at boxrec and boxing articles and actually watch the fight, its one of the most overrated close fights in history. Marvin Hagler was a clear winner in that fight, and considering Roberto Duran managed to win the Middleweight title off the huge Iran Barkley, i would say he was still very good at Middleweight. And as for SRL he was not a natural Welterweight IMO, and size wise SRL and Marvin Hagler are almost the same size, regarding height and weight, Marvin Hagler was never over the Middleweight limit only a few times, that means he was a natural Middleweight and couldn't move up really any higher. Lastly SRL only took the fight with Marvin Hagler because Marvin Hagler was a shot fighter and he had slowed down alot especially in his brutal war, with John Mugabi. And SRL demanded the bigger ring, the gloves, the ring size, the rounds, as a matter of fact had that fight been 15 rounds like it was scheduled to be at first, until SRL got it changed. SRL would of been stopped 100 percent.

ICB what hell are you talking about? Leonard was about 15 pounds lighter than Hagler come fight night, he looked way smaller, height hardly means size. Also just because a fighter is effective above their natural weight doesn't mean that is their natural weightclass. You also assume we know nothing of Hagler, he was a good boxer, but no way would he have outboxed Calzaghe. They both are underrated in that category, but the speed and height advantage has to play in Calzaghe's favor. Also the Duran-Hagler fight I've seen it probably 10 times, and it was a close fight until the end when Duran gassed out, but he was an old man by then and they had a rough fight, maybe you should be the one to watch the fight, because it was a close fight that Hagler clearly won. Also Leonard hadn't fought in three years in a weightclass he had never been in, Hagler should have clearly won despite the advantages in Leonard's favor, and Hagler was hardly the wreck of a fighter you make him out to be near the end of his career, he was 31 still had most of his speed, its just his level of opposition increased dramatically closer to the end of his career which made him look probably more like the fighter he actually was a tough fighter, with good boxing skills, but first and foremost was a pressure fighter who could punch and take a punch.

Not early Hagler. Young Hagler had great legs and fought off his toes often. Against pressure fighters, he would move backwards and counter, then pressure when he had the advantage. The Duran fight was not his best performance, and Duran is an ATG who fought a tremendous fight. Also, Hagler was a pretty old 31. He had 64 fights under his belt.

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[Hagler was a pretty old 31. He had 64 fights under his belt.

Going by boxrec he had 61 fights.

Duran was a year older and had 81 fights and this was also his first fight at middle

Hagler is starting to look like Taylor

[RozzySean]

[Hagler was a pretty old 31. He had 64 fights under his belt.

Going by boxrec he had 61 fights.

Duran was a year older and had 81 fights and this was also his first fight at middle

Hagler is starting to look like Taylor

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It dont matter what anyone says, Duran was older, smaller and had more miles on the clock

[RozzySean]

It dont matter what anyone says, Duran was older, smaller and had more miles on the clock

Duran is still an ATG HoFer who managed to beat Iran Barkley a few years later. This is Roberto Duran we are talking about, one of the greatest fighters to ever put on a pair of gloves. And Hagler beat him clearly, more clearly than Joe beat old 'Nard or for that matter, Robin Reid.

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Fair play but I for one know that Reid is very underrated and was unfortunate to come at the same time as Joe, Reid had power and a good chin but lacked the fire to beat up the lesser men

Reid was deffo good

Yep Hagler beat him but Hagler also had losses

As yet Joe is unbeaten

Happy new year, its only a boxing forum and unless there is a delorian kicking around any old versus new boxing mythical matches are open for debate so no one will win

[RozzySean]

Fair play but I for one know that Reid is very underrated and was unfortunate to come at the same time as Joe, Reid had power and a good chin but lacked the fire to beat up the lesser men

Reid was deffo good

Yep Hagler beat him but Hagler also had losses

As yet Joe is unbeaten

Happy new year, its only a boxing forum and unless there is a delorian kicking around any old versus new boxing mythical matches are open for debate so no one will win

While it's impressive that Calzaghe is undefeated and Hagler had losses, you have to consider the era, the protectedness of Calzaghe, and Hagler's difficulties getting good matchups. He wasn't nearly as protected as many of today's fighters.

Reid was no pushover, that's for sure. I actually think of him as a poor man's Marvin Hagler, except orthodox. If Reid had been around at the time of Hagler, he would have been one of Hagler's tougher defenses (behind Duran, Hearns, Mugabi, and Leonard), but at the end of the day, I'm not sure Reid is much better than Hamsho, Antufermo, or Fuli Obel. Reid is more fresh in our minds, but Mustafa, Vito, and Fulegencio were no joke during there time. They were certainly better than Caveman Lee