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    Default Re: The Best Mexican Fighters of all Time - Bleacher Report

    Lopez should be second

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Lopez should be second
    Yeah, one fine argument for an undefeated fighter, in Lopez, with a record of just one draw and 51 big wins in 52 fights!

    If he wasn't a little guy (during those times below middle/welterweight, was hardly any coverage) press would have been all over him eclipsing the 49 of the Rock!

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    Default Re: The Best Mexican Fighters of all Time - Bleacher Report

    should be more than five

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    Default Re: The Best Mexican Fighters of all Time - Bleacher Report

    This is a real tough call for me. IMO the Morales/Barrera/Pacquio/Marquez rivalry matches the fab 4 for competitiveness and then some. All great fighters. Morales seems to get the short end of the stick, but he was awesome in the first PAC fight. I imagine he was for the first MAB fight too. Did all those wars wear Morales down for the rematches? They all had tons of experience. Who's better? I can't say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Lopez should be second
    Yeah, one fine argument for an undefeated fighter, in Lopez, with a record of just one draw and 51 big wins in 52 fights!

    If he wasn't a little guy (during those times below middle/welterweight, was hardly any coverage) press would have been all over him eclipsing the 49 of the Rock!
    Ricardo Lopez was a master boxer i've seen quite alot of his fights, but he also had a warrior like instinct like JCC. Check out his 2nd fight with Rosendo Alvarez, he had 3 different cuts on his face. He looked like a bloody mess but he still came through unbelievable heart shown there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Lopez should be second

    No way, He was a great little fighter, but didn't have close to the opposition Barrera had.

    Nor was he as good as Salvador Sanchez who was absolutely amazing, just watched his KO victory over Azumah Nelson, he would have been something special and true all round fighter like Hagler.

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    For Lopez' case, going undefeated for a whole career, has gotta account for something...

    Sanchez died so young, many fights yeah, but was not tested late in his career.

    Marquez is 35 yers old, and still getting it done with the best of them! IMO. Thing to ponder...

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    Salvador Sanchez was like 23 when he died, but he had already beaten Danny LopezX2, Ruben Castillo, Wilfredo Gomez, and Azumah Nelson, he might not have the longest legacy, but he was 18 when he lost a split decision.

    Ricardo Finito Lopez was a great fighter, but he didn't really fight anyone special, and the best guy he fought put up a really good fight in Alvarez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Salvador Sanchez was like 23 when he died, but he had already beaten Danny LopezX2, Ruben Castillo, Wilfredo Gomez, and Azumah Nelson, he might not have the longest legacy, but he was 18 when he lost a split decision.

    Ricardo Finito Lopez was a great fighter, but he didn't really fight anyone special, and the best guy he fought put up a really good fight in Alvarez.
    Lopez is hurt by the fact that he fought in Boxing's smallest division. Which is the most ignored division. But just cuz a lot people don't know the fighters doesn't mean there not good. Alvarez, Sorjaturong and Grigsby were outstanding fighters. Several others were very good. Lopez was a great fighter. He had great skills. And he also had great heart. A lot of people don't know that the second fight with Alvarez really shouldn't of happened. Alvarez came in over weight. But Lopez was still bothered by the draw in there first fight. So he said "who cares" we still fighting. He got the SD win over the bigger Alvarez in a great fight

    Sanchez was a great fighter. No denying that. But the fact that he died early I think has elevated his status more than it should. He had some great wins. But there easy to pick at. Lopez I think was a one-dimensional fighter. He was good. But he was no where near great. Gomez was great. But he fought Sanchez above his best weight. He was the smaller fighter. Nelson put up a great effort. But come now. That was a pre-prime Nelson. He was still a little green. Before Sanchez died there was talk of him facing Alexis Arguello. A fight I think he would of lost.

    Factor every thing in and I rate Lopez over Sanchez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Salvador Sanchez was like 23 when he died, but he had already beaten Danny LopezX2, Ruben Castillo, Wilfredo Gomez, and Azumah Nelson, he might not have the longest legacy, but he was 18 when he lost a split decision.

    Ricardo Finito Lopez was a great fighter, but he didn't really fight anyone special, and the best guy he fought put up a really good fight in Alvarez.
    Lopez is hurt by the fact that he fought in Boxing's smallest division. Which is the most ignored division. But just cuz a lot people don't know the fighters doesn't mean there not good. Alvarez, Sorjaturong and Grigsby were outstanding fighters. Several others were very good. Lopez was a great fighter. He had great skills. And he also had great heart. A lot of people don't know that the second fight with Alvarez really shouldn't of happened. Alvarez came in over weight. But Lopez was still bothered by the draw in there first fight. So he said "who cares" we still fighting. He got the SD win over the bigger Alvarez in a great fight

    Sanchez was a great fighter. No denying that. But the fact that he died early I think has elevated his status more than it should. He had some great wins. But there easy to pick at. Lopez I think was a one-dimensional fighter. He was good. But he was no where near great. Gomez was great. But he fought Sanchez above his best weight. He was the smaller fighter. Nelson put up a great effort. But come now. That was a pre-prime Nelson. He was still a little green. Before Sanchez died there was talk of him facing Alexis Arguello. A fight I think he would of lost.

    Factor every thing in and I rate Lopez over Sanchez
    Great post also another thing about Azumah Nelson, i heard he only had 2 weeks to prepare for Salvador Sanchez. Im not sure how true that is but thats what i heard.

    I also agree about Danny Lopez i've seen quite a few of his fights, very good exciting fighter with a big punch. But i do feel he was very hittable and he reminded me of Julian Jackson at times.

    Because often alot of his fights were tough fights, and some of the opponents he struggled against he really shouldn't of. But he was still one hell of a fighter.

    And it was a big win for Salvador Sanchez considering he was unknown at that time, and it was billed as "Little Red vs Little Unknown" or something like that.

    As for Ricardo Lopez just an amazing fighter what more can you say about him ? just excellent in every attribute. Doesn't really have a weakness, and his combinations were a thing of beauty.

    I noticed in the rematch with Rosendo Alvarez, he was throwing 3 and 4 punch combinations. Something which he didn't really do in there 1st meeting.

    But you could just see how much desire he had in that fight, 3 cuts on his face he looked a bloody mess. But yet he ignored that an continued to fight a masterful fight.

    And the amazing thing is after that brutal war you would of expected him to retire. But he actually moved up a weightclass won the title there and made a few defenses before he retired.

    Amazing fighter im not quite sure how many fights i've seen of his, i think its round about 14 or 15. And every fight i've seen of his he has looked brilliant. And his balance and power are some of the things that really stand out to me, despite his obvious boxing skills.

    IMO the best skilled Mexican fighter of all time, and one of the best fighters of all time. If only the lower weightclasses had more attention he would of been as famous as JCC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent Demise View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Taeth View Post
    Salvador Sanchez was like 23 when he died, but he had already beaten Danny LopezX2, Ruben Castillo, Wilfredo Gomez, and Azumah Nelson, he might not have the longest legacy, but he was 18 when he lost a split decision.

    Ricardo Finito Lopez was a great fighter, but he didn't really fight anyone special, and the best guy he fought put up a really good fight in Alvarez.
    Lopez is hurt by the fact that he fought in Boxing's smallest division. Which is the most ignored division. But just cuz a lot people don't know the fighters doesn't mean there not good. Alvarez, Sorjaturong and Grigsby were outstanding fighters. Several others were very good. Lopez was a great fighter. He had great skills. And he also had great heart. A lot of people don't know that the second fight with Alvarez really shouldn't of happened. Alvarez came in over weight. But Lopez was still bothered by the draw in there first fight. So he said "who cares" we still fighting. He got the SD win over the bigger Alvarez in a great fight

    Sanchez was a great fighter. No denying that. But the fact that he died early I think has elevated his status more than it should. He had some great wins. But there easy to pick at. Lopez I think was a one-dimensional fighter. He was good. But he was no where near great. Gomez was great. But he fought Sanchez above his best weight. He was the smaller fighter. Nelson put up a great effort. But come now. That was a pre-prime Nelson. He was still a little green. Before Sanchez died there was talk of him facing Alexis Arguello. A fight I think he would of lost.

    Factor every thing in and I rate Lopez over Sanchez
    I've seen both of them, and I like Salvador more, I think p4p he would beat Lopez. You can arguements anyway you want, but IMO he was a superior version of JCC who could do more in the ring. I strongly disagree about Lopez's opponents, I've seen a few of his fights like the ones against Alvarez, and they were definitely good fighters, but they weren't great by any stretch of the imagination. Lopez was a really good fighter, but he didn't have the opposition anyone else in the top 10 had, I think him being undefeated makes people overrate him, they tend to forget about the comparatively low opposition he had.

    In fact I would place JMM, Barrera and Morrales probably in front of him. They all have accomplished so much, and especially JMM doesnt' deserve the shadow that was cast by Barrera or Morales on him, I think Barrera still deserves to be in first place though, he could fight the most ways, he became an equal boxer with JMM, and he was the best brawler out of the three. Him and JMM had probably the fastest hands of all the great mexican boxers IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KananKrus View Post
    For Lopez' case, going undefeated for a whole career, has gotta account for something...

    Sanchez died so young, many fights yeah, but was not tested late in his career.

    Marquez is 35 yers old, and still getting it done with the best of them! IMO. Thing to ponder...
    Marquez is for sure in the top 10, but I don't think you can put him in the top 5 simply because he hasn't foughten that many big names, I think he's of equal skill to Barrera and Morales, but as of now he hasn't reached the pinnacle quite the same way they did, I mean they worth both in the top 10 p4p for how long? Its unforunate because he is likely as GOOD as any mexican that has ever fought, and definitely would be competitive with almost anyone p4p in the history of the sport.

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