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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

    1. Puerto Rico
    2. Panama
    3. U.S.
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Venezuela
    6. Mexico
    7. Cuba
    8. England

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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

    1. Puerto Rico
    2. Panama
    3. U.S.
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Venezuela
    6. Mexico
    7. Cuba
    8. England

    How about Argentina?

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    Quote Originally Posted by holmcall View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

    1. Puerto Rico
    2. Panama
    3. U.S.
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Venezuela
    6. Mexico
    7. Cuba
    8. England

    How about Argentina?
    Argentina was 9th, behind England.

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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    U.S
    Mexico
    Puerto Rico
    Any country ever have only one Champion??

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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    Mexico has not only produce many Champions but a few great champions. I don't use the word great very offten. USA just behide them.

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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

    1. Puerto Rico
    2. Panama
    3. U.S.
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Venezuela
    6. Mexico
    7. Cuba
    8. England

    Found this video and in terms of world champions Mexico is #2 in terms of World Champions behind the US (I'm assuming as of the time the video was made and it looks pretty old.) I know you boast P.R. is #1 per capita (population) but a champion is a champion regardless, should have fought for more land for P.R. Just kidding.

    The video is in spanish but it states that fact in the first minute or so. It's actually a good video although cut short.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxhcz5JFS0M
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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnixAA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

    1. Puerto Rico
    2. Panama
    3. U.S.
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Venezuela
    6. Mexico
    7. Cuba
    8. England

    Found this video and in terms of world champions Mexico is #2 in terms of World Champions behind the US (I'm assuming as of the time the video was made and it looks pretty old.) I know you boast P.R. is #1 per capita (population) but a champion is a champion regardless, should have fought for more land for P.R. Just kidding.

    The video is in spanish but it states that fact in the first minute or so. It's actually a good video although cut short.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxhcz5JFS0M
    Technical slipup there, Onix my friend.

    Per capita is a comparison based on population, not square miles of land. And while it's true that both the U.S. [425] and Mexico [108] have had more world champions than Puerto Rico [40], when seen on a per capita basis both fall far short of Puerto Rico. Hence, my numbers.

    [Boxrec - July 2008]


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    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OnixAA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TitoFan View Post
    In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

    1. Puerto Rico
    2. Panama
    3. U.S.
    4. Dominican Republic
    5. Venezuela
    6. Mexico
    7. Cuba
    8. England

    Found this video and in terms of world champions Mexico is #2 in terms of World Champions behind the US (I'm assuming as of the time the video was made and it looks pretty old.) I know you boast P.R. is #1 per capita (population) but a champion is a champion regardless, should have fought for more land for P.R. Just kidding.

    The video is in spanish but it states that fact in the first minute or so. It's actually a good video although cut short.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxhcz5JFS0M
    Technical slipup there, Onix my friend.

    Per capita is a comparison based on population, not square miles of land. And while it's true that both the U.S. [425] and Mexico [108] have had more world champions than Puerto Rico [40], when seen on a per capita basis both fall far short of Puerto Rico. Hence, my numbers.

    [Boxrec - July 2008]



    Well I did write in their population, but if you would have fought for more land, you would have have more people. Thats the way I meant it.
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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    Right now (2009), I am leaning toward PR even though I said the past 60 years. Damm, that Island has produced some truly great champions. Gomez, Benitez, Torres, Escobar, Trinidad, Cotto, JML, Camacho, Vazquez, Ortiz, Escalara, Molina, Rosario, Ramos, Laporte,--even Joe "Unfair but Firm" Cortez who had a record of eighteen wins and one defeat as a professional boxer.

    There have been many others like Jose Monon Gonzalez who never made champion but were truly top notch bangers.

    Then again, you go back 60 years and some of the Cubans were truly great fighters. Guys like the "Keed," Isaac Logart, the Bombon Kid, Florentino Fernandez who was a monster bomber, Nino Valdez, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Kid Paret, Jose Napoles, Kid Chocolate (136-10-6). But I still don't think they compare to PR.

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    Default Re: What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

    Okay lets not complicate the topic with per capita non sense and other absord stuff. the answer is simply the U.S.A and MEXICO / MEXICO and U.S.A. which means both of these countries traditionally have had the best boxing schools. both of these two countries have produced the most champions have developed the best boxing techniques have had the best and most knowledgeble trainers. most big pay-perview events are controlled by American and Mexican fighters. sure you get other great fighters from different nationalities in these pay-per view events but the but the numbers don't lie. these two great boxing/fighting countries dominate the numbers in champions/quality of champions/pay-perview sells you name it they own it past and present future we will see. dont get me wrong i enjoy fighters from all over the world but the numbers are real you cant deny it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Valentine View Post
    Okay lets not complicate the topic with per capita non sense and other absord stuff. the answer is simply the U.S.A and MEXICO / MEXICO and U.S.A. which means both of these countries traditionally have had the best boxing schools. both of these two countries have produced the most champions have developed the best boxing techniques have had the best and most knowledgeble trainers. most big pay-perview events are controlled by American and Mexican fighters. sure you get other great fighters from different nationalities in these pay-per view events but the but the numbers don't lie. these two great boxing/fighting countries dominate the numbers in champions/quality of champions/pay-perview sells you name it they own it past and present future we will see. dont get me wrong i enjoy fighters from all over the world but the numbers are real you cant deny it.
    "Per capita nonsense"? Really brilliant there, bud. Some people choose to call "nonsense" that which they do not understand. So I'll try to go slower.

    You can measure numbers in absolute terms, or you can compare them using common denominators. It's like income... income is commonly measured "per capita", because it's a more clear measure of the wealth or lack thereof of a country's inhabitants.

    So if you compare in absolute terms, yes... the U.S. and Mexico have the largest number of world champions (425 and 108, respectively). But when you figure their respective populations (apx 305 million and 108 million, respectively), it comes out to about 1.4 champs per million people for the U.S., and about 1.0 champs per million people for Mexico. By contrast, Puerto Rico has 40 world champs and a population of roughly 4 million people, yielding a rate of about 10.0 champs per million people.

    If it helps, I'll take you through the arithmetic.


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