What country has produced the best all around fighters during the past 60 years?

[TitoFan]

In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

1. Puerto Rico
2. Panama
3. U.S.
4. Dominican Republic
5. Venezuela
6. Mexico
7. Cuba
8. England

Found this video and in terms of world champions Mexico is #2 in terms of World Champions behind the US (I'm assuming as of the time the video was made and it looks pretty old.) I know you boast P.R. is #1 per capita (population) but a champion is a champion regardless, should have fought for more land for P.R. Just kidding.

The video is in spanish but it states that fact in the first minute or so. It's actually a good video although cut short.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxhcz5JFS0M

Technical slipup there, Onix my friend.

Per capita is a comparison based on population, not square miles of land. And while it's true that both the U.S. [425] and Mexico [108] have had more world champions than Puerto Rico [40], when seen on a per capita basis both fall far short of Puerto Rico. Hence, my numbers.

[Boxrec - July 2008]

[Onix]

In terms of per capita world champions (and in descending order):

1. Puerto Rico
2. Panama
3. U.S.
4. Dominican Republic
5. Venezuela
6. Mexico
7. Cuba
8. England

Found this video and in terms of world champions Mexico is #2 in terms of World Champions behind the US (I'm assuming as of the time the video was made and it looks pretty old.) I know you boast P.R. is #1 per capita (population) but a champion is a champion regardless, should have fought for more land for P.R. Just kidding.

The video is in spanish but it states that fact in the first minute or so. It's actually a good video although cut short.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxhcz5JFS0M

Technical slipup there, Onix my friend.

Per capita is a comparison based on population, not square miles of land. And while it's true that both the U.S. [425] and Mexico [108] have had more world champions than Puerto Rico [40], when seen on a per capita basis both fall far short of Puerto Rico. Hence, my numbers.

[Boxrec - July 2008]

Well I did write in their population, but if you would have fought for more land, you would have have more people. Thats the way I meant it.

[holmcall]

Right now (2009), I am leaning toward PR even though I said the past 60 years. Damm, that Island has produced some truly great champions. Gomez, Benitez, Torres, Escobar, Trinidad, Cotto, JML, Camacho, Vazquez, Ortiz, Escalara, Molina, Rosario, Ramos, Laporte,--even Joe "Unfair but Firm" Cortez who had a record of eighteen wins and one defeat as a professional boxer.

There have been many others like Jose Monon Gonzalez who never made champion but were truly top notch bangers.

Then again, you go back 60 years and some of the Cubans were truly great fighters. Guys like the "Keed," Isaac Logart, the Bombon Kid, Florentino Fernandez who was a monster bomber, Nino Valdez, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Kid Paret, Jose Napoles, Kid Chocolate (136-10-6). But I still don't think they compare to PR.

[Sir Valentine]

Okay lets not complicate the topic with per capita non sense and other absord stuff. the answer is simply the U.S.A and MEXICO / MEXICO and U.S.A. which means both of these countries traditionally have had the best boxing schools. both of these two countries have produced the most champions have developed the best boxing techniques have had the best and most knowledgeble trainers. most big pay-perview events are controlled by American and Mexican fighters. sure you get other great fighters from different nationalities in these pay-per view events but the but the numbers don't lie. these two great boxing/fighting countries dominate the numbers in champions/quality of champions/pay-perview sells you name it they own it past and present future we will see. dont get me wrong i enjoy fighters from all over the world but the numbers are real you cant deny it.

[TitoFan]

Okay lets not complicate the topic with per capita non sense and other absord stuff. the answer is simply the U.S.A and MEXICO / MEXICO and U.S.A. which means both of these countries traditionally have had the best boxing schools. both of these two countries have produced the most champions have developed the best boxing techniques have had the best and most knowledgeble trainers. most big pay-perview events are controlled by American and Mexican fighters. sure you get other great fighters from different nationalities in these pay-per view events but the but the numbers don't lie. these two great boxing/fighting countries dominate the numbers in champions/quality of champions/pay-perview sells you name it they own it past and present future we will see. dont get me wrong i enjoy fighters from all over the world but the numbers are real you cant deny it.

"Per capita nonsense"? Really brilliant there, bud. Some people choose to call "nonsense" that which they do not understand. So I'll try to go slower.

You can measure numbers in absolute terms, or you can compare them using common denominators. It's like income... income is commonly measured "per capita", because it's a more clear measure of the wealth or lack thereof of a country's inhabitants.

So if you compare in absolute terms, yes... the U.S. and Mexico have the largest number of world champions (425 and 108, respectively). But when you figure their respective populations (apx 305 million and 108 million, respectively), it comes out to about 1.4 champs per million people for the U.S., and about 1.0 champs per million people for Mexico. By contrast, Puerto Rico has 40 world champs and a population of roughly 4 million people, yielding a rate of about 10.0 champs per million people.

If it helps, I'll take you through the arithmetic.

[CGM]

It would be interesting to see some of these numbers in terms of percentages of population that actually get involved in professional boxing, or whether or not the existence of an amateur program had any significance. Someone who remembered all their statistics courses (not me) should be able to swing that pretty easily.

[Mr140]

Well if you look at how good the Champions are though Tito US wins i mean all you got to do is look at the ATG top 10 for most people do you ever see a PR no but i see alot of americans though you may have us on per capa but i think that the US makes the better champions tell you truth Most of the time i would think the US comes out on top like Bernard over Tito or my favorite PR fighter Benitez getting beat by my favorite fighter peroid Sugar Ray Leonard so i would say the USA has the most and the best i mean all the most known and greats have come from here.

[Onix]

Okay lets not complicate the topic with per capita non sense and other absord stuff. the answer is simply the U.S.A and MEXICO / MEXICO and U.S.A. which means both of these countries traditionally have had the best boxing schools. both of these two countries have produced the most champions have developed the best boxing techniques have had the best and most knowledgeble trainers. most big pay-perview events are controlled by American and Mexican fighters. sure you get other great fighters from different nationalities in these pay-per view events but the but the numbers don't lie. these two great boxing/fighting countries dominate the numbers in champions/quality of champions/pay-perview sells you name it they own it past and present future we will see. dont get me wrong i enjoy fighters from all over the world but the numbers are real you cant deny it.

"Per capita nonsense"? Really brilliant there, bud. Some people choose to call "nonsense" that which they do not understand. So I'll try to go slower.

You can measure numbers in absolute terms, or you can compare them using common denominators. It's like income... income is commonly measured "per capita", because it's a more clear measure of the wealth or lack thereof of a country's inhabitants.

So if you compare in absolute terms, yes... the U.S. and Mexico have the largest number of world champions (425 and 108, respectively). But when you figure their respective populations (apx 305 million and 108 million, respectively), it comes out to about 1.4 champs per million people for the U.S., and about 1.0 champs per million people for Mexico. By contrast, Puerto Rico has 40 world champs and a population of roughly 4 million people, yielding a rate of about 10.0 champs per million people.

If it helps, I'll take you through the arithmetic.

Tito Im sure you know this one, in the rivalry between Mexico and P.R. whats the score? I dont know the answer so I'm not trying be a dick.

As far as the Per Capita argument, I dont think you are "complicating it" but you are disecting the question to win the argument, if we break it down more and more we we can figure a way to get every country coming out on top. One may be tge best per capita, one by overall greatness of champions, one by number of names in an atg p4p list. As much as we would like to have the country we support/are from to have the best it just does'nt happen for everyone.

[TitoFan]

Okay lets not complicate the topic with per capita non sense and other absord stuff. the answer is simply the U.S.A and MEXICO / MEXICO and U.S.A. which means both of these countries traditionally have had the best boxing schools. both of these two countries have produced the most champions have developed the best boxing techniques have had the best and most knowledgeble trainers. most big pay-perview events are controlled by American and Mexican fighters. sure you get other great fighters from different nationalities in these pay-per view events but the but the numbers don't lie. these two great boxing/fighting countries dominate the numbers in champions/quality of champions/pay-perview sells you name it they own it past and present future we will see. dont get me wrong i enjoy fighters from all over the world but the numbers are real you cant deny it.

"Per capita nonsense"? Really brilliant there, bud. Some people choose to call "nonsense" that which they do not understand. So I'll try to go slower.

You can measure numbers in absolute terms, or you can compare them using common denominators. It's like income... income is commonly measured "per capita", because it's a more clear measure of the wealth or lack thereof of a country's inhabitants.

So if you compare in absolute terms, yes... the U.S. and Mexico have the largest number of world champions (425 and 108, respectively). But when you figure their respective populations (apx 305 million and 108 million, respectively), it comes out to about 1.4 champs per million people for the U.S., and about 1.0 champs per million people for Mexico. By contrast, Puerto Rico has 40 world champs and a population of roughly 4 million people, yielding a rate of about 10.0 champs per million people.

If it helps, I'll take you through the arithmetic.

Tito Im sure you know this one, in the rivalry between Mexico and P.R. whats the score? I dont know the answer so I'm not trying be a dick.

As far as the Per Capita argument, I dont think you are "complicating it" but you are disecting the question to win the argument, if we break it down more and more we we can figure a way to get every country coming out on top. One may be tge best per capita, one by overall greatness of champions, one by number of names in an atg p4p list. As much as we would like to have the country we support/are from to have the best it just does'nt happen for everyone.

Don't worry, Onix... I don't think you're trying to be a dick.

As for the PR-Mexico score, there's been huge victories on both sides... so I wouldn't venture to say it's one-sided one way or the other.

As for the part I bolded... too bad you feel that way. It's not a matter of "breaking it down every which way so every country will come out on top". It's a matter of simple arithmetic. It just burns me when people who have little knowledge of international boxing (present company excluded, of course), spout off about the only countries having rich boxing histories and traditions being the U.S. and Mexico. That's just plain ignorant, and I'll stand on my soapbox all day to dismiss that argument.