Is Hatton Pac's most powerful opponent yet?

[Julius Rain]

oh really now?

how about when hatton fought him? grr i never debate against kostya, his one of my favorites all time. I hope your right as him being the greatest light welterweight ever but I dont think i can really say that. I did enjoy him beating the shit out of JCC twice and ofcourse the zab judah knock the fuck out ghetto boy

well i remember when pac face marco the first time. the ranking went like this.

Roy jones.
Oscar dela hoya
Marco Antonio Barrera

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.

I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.

When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer

Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense?

The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.

[ICB]

It's hard to gauge how good Kostya was when Hatton stopped him, Hatton completely shut down his work.
However, with Kostya and his amazing power it's a bit irrelevant. Power is the last thing to fade from a fighter and Tszyu couldn't knock Ricky out.

Power alone won't KO Ricky. Precision like Mayweather's can though.

As a MAB fan I have to defend him a little. Marco had gone through some traumatic fights with El Terrible before Pac. Trilogies fade fighters and that may have been the most svagely consistent trilogy of all time. He had also just had surgery on his skull, so although Pac's performance was impressive, I can't say he beat the best Barerra.

Its as if Pacquiao and MAB/Erik are seperate but overlapping eras.
A close to prime Morales beat green Pac, Pac then beat an old Morales.
Very difficult to gauge.

You could also argue MAB was coming off some of his best wins before he fought Manny Pacquiao. He looked great beating Johnny Tapia, Kevin Kelley, Erik Morales 2. And i have to say the 2nd meeting between Erik Morales and MAB wasn't a brutal fight at all.

Infact that was a fight that never caught fire to me, the first 6 rounds were mostly alot of boxing and little action. Then the fight sort of picked up in the last 6 rounds, but it certainly wasn't a brutal fight by any means, infact it was a walk in the park compared to there other 2 fights.

I really think people buy into that whole myth about "too much war" Jesus Christ, pac is only 30 and he has been in more war then anybody. Seriously have you guyss seen pacs earlier battles before he came to the states. By the time he got to the states he was use to all the wars.

I love Mab i do, but seriously people need to quit with the "too much war" excuses.

When mab first met pac, he only had 2 matches with eric the trilogy came after the pac fight, and he already had several fights after he had his skull surgery, and the camp distraction excuses. Well he didn't do any better in the rematch did he? he just went an extra round longer

Thats right Ice, plus marco already had several fights after he had his surgery. He didn't just had surgery then he fought pac. He already had several fights and won. However the media just found out he had skull surgery right before the pac fight. make sense?

The excuse of "too many war" would be legit if it wasn't against a guy who has the same amount of "war" if not more under his belt. Even Eric Morales said its just a myth.

Rains the stuff you quoted in red i didn't say that Donny did. I was actually sort of agreeing with you i wasn't using any excuses. I think you need to read my post again.

[CGM]

Yeah Conrad, we can ignore the DLH fight, it means very little. Sooner or later PAC is going to find himself in too deep with the weight thing. When that will be I'm not sure. Hatton is probably is toughest opponent in that sense, although PAC has fought "better" guys in the p4p sense.

[Julius Rain]

Oh yea back to Mab:

to be exact, his brain surgery was 6 years and 16 fights ago before the first pacquiao match. So that excuse is really not valid.

[levi#1BoxingFan]

Just curious Jaz, how does a shoulder roll take the effectiveness of landing a body shot away? Your shoulder protects your chin, not your gut.

[JazMerkin]

Just curious Jaz, how does a shoulder roll take the effectiveness of landing a body shot away? Your shoulder protects your chin, not your gut.

Because when PBF does it, he effectively positions his body at a 90 degree angle to his opponent, and used his elbows to protect his gut. Also Joe Cortez reffing that night meant that when he did this, if Hatton went with a body shot with his left, Cortez would pull him up for hitting Mayweather behind the back. So basically whenever Hatton went to the body he would get pulled up on it because of how Mayweather was fighting. Hatton wasn't smart enough on the night to create the angles so he could get his punches in, & Cortez didn't help on this. So yeah that's why in my opinion the shoulder roll meant Hatton could not get in any meaningful work to the body.