Man...what a fukkin cold winter this is...

[El Kabong]

There are plenty of scientists who don't think that Global Warming is man made. I think pollution is bad and all but honestly I think there are things that have more effect on the atmosphere than just carbon emissions. The Milankovich cycles for one...the Earth's orbit and tilt aren't always the same and therefore the sun can be closer or farther away from us and affecting the weather patterns.

Perhaps my views on the universities confuse you....who gives those great professors grant money? Probably the same people that thought corn based ethanol was worth sinking billions of dollars in to.

Also my huge problem with Al Gore and the leftists in Congress is that they are a group of walking contradictions. They have a speech somewhere across country and do they ride a train or drive a hybrid car to their location? No they fly in a plane, not just a commercial plane with tons of passengers therefore making the it the flying equivalent to a car pool, they fly in private jets. And they try and bring up this carbon offset bullshit....do you believe that shit?!?!?! Carbon offsets...they SELL them the same people who care so much about the poor people are trying to rip EVERYBODY off with this bullcrap idea that if we all plant a tree we can do whatever we want. It's the same thing as Royalty buying indulgences in the Middle Ages.

Oh well, I guess my opinion doesn't count so it doesn't matter what I think...I should just be happy in my blissful ignorance and let people like yourself worry about the environment

[CGM]

There are plenty of scientists who don't think that Global Warming is man made. I think pollution is bad and all but honestly I think there are things that have more effect on the atmosphere than just carbon emissions. The Milankovich cycles for one...the Earth's orbit and tilt aren't always the same and therefore the sun can be closer or farther away from us and affecting the weather patterns.

Perhaps my views on the universities confuse you....who gives those great professors grant money? Probably the same people that thought corn based ethanol was worth sinking billions of dollars in to.

Also my huge problem with Al Gore and the leftists in Congress is that they are a group of walking contradictions. They have a speech somewhere across country and do they ride a train or drive a hybrid car to their location? No they fly in a plane, not just a commercial plane with tons of passengers therefore making the it the flying equivalent to a car pool, they fly in private jets. And they try and bring up this carbon offset bullshit....do you believe that shit?!?!?! Carbon offsets...they SELL them the same people who care so much about the poor people are trying to rip EVERYBODY off with this bullcrap idea that if we all plant a tree we can do whatever we want. It's the same thing as Royalty buying indulgences in the Middle Ages.

Oh well, I guess my opinion doesn't count so it doesn't matter what I think...I should just be happy in my blissful ignorance and let people like yourself worry about the environment

First paragraph: OK you think it's more of a natural, cyclical thing than a man made thing. And there are plenty of scientists who have this point of view. I'll have to try and find out just how many. And I wonder who is paying for their research? Oil companies? Nah. This would be a good place to fucus our discussion, which scientists have ulterior motives and therefore not to be believed.

2nd paragraph: University profesors ( scientists) have ulterior motives. They are just telling the people who foot the bill what they want to hear.

Nice third paragraph, leftists are walking contradictions. Look for a contradiction somewhere in order to discredit them. But you can't blame them for taking a jet, since carbon emissions aren't the big problem. If you wan't, I'll come up with a pile of reasosn why a private jet is probably a good idea for a guy like Gore, and also probably justifiable from an environmental viewpoint, but that would mean accepting that Gore is doing anything useful at all.

Fourth paragraph: not worth responding to.

[El Kabong]

OK so an oil company pays for research and that right out makes it slanted but the government pays for research and it's completely unbiased. There's no double standard there.

Oil Companies are the boogeymen for the Democrat Party....the Republicans have boogeymen too, I accept that reality.

Tell me you think Al Gore isn't full of shit...I want to read it. I want to read about how concerned Democrats like Pelosi and Reid have cared for the environment and then have to catch a private jet flight to DC or California somewhere for something....it's completely fair for them to impliment policies that will hurt our wallets but they are unhurt because they can pay for their carbon offsets as we are hung out to dry....it's just one more thing we have to pay for. Where is the fucking outrage?!?! I bring up the Fair Tax and get hammered about the poor people paying more than their fair share or the taxes but I bring up carbon offsets and nobody seems to worry about how the minimum wage people are going to afford those.

The question I ask is "Are people making money off of Global Warming?" and yes people are making big bucks off of Global Warming...people in England are taxed for how many TVs they have and what type they are (correct me if I'm wrong British people).

[CGM]

OK so an oil company pays for research and that right out makes it slanted but the government pays for research and it's completely unbiased. There's no double standard there.

Oil Companies are the boogeymen for the Democrat Party....the Republicans have boogeymen too, I accept that reality.

Tell me you think Al Gore isn't full of shit...I want to read it. I want to read about how concerned Democrats like Pelosi and Reid have cared for the environment and then have to catch a private jet flight to DC or California somewhere for something....it's completely fair for them to impliment policies that will hurt our wallets but they are unhurt because they can pay for their carbon offsets as we are hung out to dry....it's just one more thing we have to pay for. Where is the fucking outrage?!?! I bring up the Fair Tax and get hammered about the poor people paying more than their fair share or the taxes but I bring up carbon offsets and nobody seems to worry about how the minimum wage people are going to afford those.

The question I ask is "Are people making money off of Global Warming?" and yes people are making big bucks off of Global Warming...people in England are taxed for how many TVs they have and what type they are (correct me if I'm wrong British people).

I think Al Gore is a smart guy, and in general I support his efforts to raise awareness of the causes and effects of global warming.

Your first couple of statements are more of the same politically motivated stuff. Oil companies are bogeymen for the dems. Right. You're the one turning this into a left right thing, not me.

Dude, you are the one who started in with the bias of scientists, not me. If you want to question the integrity of scentists who work at universities, with some flip comment about ethanol producers, then you have to consider the same for oil company scientists. And to say so don't make me a dem with a bogeyman.

I'm not sure what to think about gov't scientists. I suppose they should be subject to the same ideas. When it comes to environment vs jobs, up till now I kinda think politicians are more short term in their focus, with their own set of priorities. And I think some of their priorities are wrong. We'll see if Obama is any different.

IMO there is a major bullet that is going to have to be bitten, and sooner rather than later. We're all gonna pay a price, and more so our children. I have strong faith in the earth's ability to heal itself, but it needs a chance to do so.

[El Kabong]

I didn't notice Andre's post before I posted last. He has it right, I DO think it is important to protect what we have and conserve in areas we can conserve in....after all I am considered a Conservative and therefore not to disappoint I am for conservation of wildlife habitats and animals and so on.

I do not, however, believe that carbon offsets are going to do jack shit...that is a GIANT scam.

Listen, I enjoy the outdoors, I enjoy being away from cars and pollution as much as anyone else but I also understand that the economies of the world are driven by oil and petroleum products. And I understand that making products, delivering products, and consuming products causes waste and pollution. It's a situation where we need certain stuff and some of the stuff we need creates waste...it's a tough issue to face.

Also I do find it odd that these same people who want us to drive windup cars are anti-nuclear. Nuclear energy is the next step, it's the cleanest, most efficient form of energy but noooooobody dares build another power plant which could possibly be built to be more efficient than other power plants.

In closing, I do not agree with the BUSINESS of Global Warming. But I do think pollution is bad and we should look out for our planet....I just don't think it's "An Inconveniant Truth" bad.

[CGM]

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I do not, however, believe that carbon offsets are going to do jack shit...that is a GIANT scam.

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If we agree that carbon emissions are a big problem, and I'm not sure that we do, but if we do agree that they must be reduced, then what exactly is your problem with offsets? Myself, I see them as something of a compromise to vested interests, I don't think Gore, for all his faults, has them as his first choice either. But in theory they should allow reductions in overall emissions.

[El Kabong]

Aside from there being no proof that carbon offsets actually work...I guess we do agree. I still think carbon offsets are the equivilent to paying for indulgences and that is unfair for the people who are not wealthy.

Sure I think we should try and protect the environment but by PROVEN methods and not some carbon offset scam

[Andre]

Scientists generally suck dog balls if they are paid to find something out guess what they will find out.

My mates are trained by the goverment in land managment they are rangers etc taught what to think and exactly how to think it.

They have no comprimise to anything any longer its now rules and money in fines if you dont follow their rules and policies.

They are against cats being out and you get fined cause they destroy wild life etc (fair enough too).

BUT !

One of them has a dog that mangles about 5 blue tounged lizards per year cause he is let out of the house too but theres no law against that going on in your own back yard so they are blind to it and they get a bit fussed when you point it out that they arent all that squeeky green themselves.