Holyfield on Joe Louis "I'd tear him up!"

[ICB]

Well Louis was rocked by even lesser fighters then what Holyfeild got rocked by i mean one of the guys that rocked Louis was a fat out of shape bartender his chin was far from unbreakable so it could go either was if you ask me i feel Holyfeild could use movement like Conn did and out box Louis also ross Holyfeild was almost 40 with the fighters you are talking about so what is the point of bringing them up were talking prime here and has anyone even seen the interview were he said this.

Joe Louis pummeled Billy Conn in a rematch, Evander Holyfield does move well but he is still very easy to hit he isn't a stick and move fighter like Billy Conn. And he is nowhere near as elusive as Billy Conn was.

From my knowledge Joe Louis was only hurt a few times in his prime out of 25 title defenses, where as Evander Holyfield was hurt a hell of alot more in his prime, Joe Louis did get hurt by Tony Galento.

But Evander Holyfield was hurt far worse against Bert Cooper, and had the ref not given Evander Holyfield a standing 8 count. He may of been KO'ed right there and then.

Lets also not forget his life and death struggle with Michael Dokes, who had been on drugs and was years removed from his best. Evander Holyfield also almost lost against an ancient Larry Holmes.

Evander Holyfield lost the last 3 rounds and looked very disheartened at the end, i had Evander Holyfield just winning 115-113, but you could easily make a case that maybe Larry Holmes may of earned a draw.

Evander Holyfield was a quality fighter with a warrior's heart and excellent countering abilities, but he got shook up too much for my liking. And Joe Louis was explosive on the inside, his little short hooks would of been hell for Evander Holyfield.

Evander Holyfield was getting caught by Bert Cooper's little short hooks on the inside, imagine if that was Joe Louis ? what would he have done to him ?

Evander Holyfield lost a few times in his prime to Michael Moorer/Riddick Bowe, Joe Louis never lost in his prime. I don't believe he was in his prime against Max Schmeling. I feel he was a little bit green and improved quite a bit after that fight.

The problem was Max Schmeling had watched tapes on Joe Louis, and noticed when Joe Louis threw his jab and then brought it back. Joe Louis would leave it slightly too low, and Max Schmeling got a gameplan together to counter over the top of that slightly low left hand with right hands.

Joe Louis learnt his lesson improved on that and beat the living crap out of Max Schmeling. He almost broke him in half, Joe Louis's other losses were to Ezzard Charles/Rocky Marciano. And he was way-way past his prime by that point.

[ross]

Ive never seen Holyfields fight with Holmes so I just watched the last few rounds on youtube, ha ha, Holmes pukes up right at the end of the fight.

I reckon a Holmes at his peak takes Holyfield though, that was a 42 year old Holmes pushing Evan Fields!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo-PP...eature=related

[Master]

Holmes being sick after the fight was the best bit of that particular contest.

[Mr140]

Well Holyfeild did avenge his loses in prime and with Moorer he had stiff hart which most thought he was going to retire which he did not. Keep saying Cooper but he was just as good as most of Louis competion i not like he was not a big hitter he could bang and i could easly see Bowie beating Louis not saying that Louis was not great i just feel most of his era was weak the strongest competion he fought was Rocky, Charles, Walcott, Schemling most of those he lost i thought Walcott won the first time they fought now he may not have been in prime but those are the only names that stick out in his resume and most of them he lost to. Now i know Holyfeild has loses but he has fought on longer and been in one of the best eras in boxing and recaptured the title more then anyone else and i dont see the big deal in him saying he could win.

[Spicoli]

I see so much made of Holyfield getting rocked and hurt by Cooper but what is forgotten is that aside from a wide booming right hand followed by two clubbing shots.....That was it for Cooper.The ref rightfully ruled it a KD as the ropes held Holyfield up and he would have been sitting on the ringsiders laps had they not.
Holyfield went from being lined up to fight Mike Tyson......replaced by the world famous Fracisco"creampuff" Damiani......who was replaced on very short notice by Bert Cooper.Thats enough to mess with anyones head...ecspecially fighting in front of your hometown fans.Before and after Holyfields moment of double vision and rubber legs,Holyfield had battered Cooper from the outset,dropping him in the first and almost ending it all right there.After the KD,Holyfield came close to removing Coopers head from his shoulders with some hellacious uppercuts and hit him with everything but the kitchen sink prior to the stoppage.No doubt Holyfield was hurt up in a bad way but I just do not see the automatic translation into Louis bombing him out.Afterall the man stood up to some of the biggest punchers of the last few decades in Foreman,Lewis,Tyson etc. Cooper had a helluva night and really rode that wave into a all time classic with undefeated wrecking ball Michael moorer.Twice depositing him onto the deck but ultimatly succumbing to another KO himself.Heavyweight history is littered with Greats and not so greats being rocked and staggered by guys lesser known but by no means does that define a guys career.....its how you come back from the adversity that speaks volumes.

The whole Holyfield dissing Louis thing,come on man.I do not think for a nano second that Holyfield harbors ill will or fails to recognize Louis as an all time great who had blazed a trail for future fighters such as himself...I see A great that is speaking on another great and how he might fair against him.I also see a fighter who he is on the way out but can not bring himself to walk through the door...even with many telling him to not let it hit him on the backside and to hurry the hell up.Trying to stamp his place amongst the greats.Pompous,arrogant....proud?Yes.But not meant as a slight I believe.

[GAME]

Well Holyfeild did avenge his loses in prime and with Moorer he had stiff hart which most thought he was going to retire which he did not. Keep saying Cooper but he was just as good as most of Louis competion i not like he was not a big hitter he could bang and i could easly see Bowie beating Louis not saying that Louis was not great i just feel most of his era was weak the strongest competion he fought was Rocky, Charles, Walcott, Schemling most of those he lost i thought Walcott won the first time they fought now he may not have been in prime but those are the only names that stick out in his resume and most of them he lost to. Now i know Holyfeild has loses but he has fought on longer and been in one of the best eras in boxing and recaptured the title more then anyone else and i dont see the big deal in him saying he could win.

Nor do I

I think he would win

[Violent Demise]

Well Louis was rocked by even lesser fighters then what Holyfeild got rocked by i mean one of the guys that rocked Louis was a fat out of shape bartender his chin was far from unbreakable so it could go either was if you ask me i feel Holyfeild could use movement like Conn did and out box Louis also ross Holyfeild was almost 40 with the fighters you are talking about so what is the point of bringing them up were talking prime here and has anyone even seen the interview were he said this.

Joe Louis never lost in his prime. I don't believe he was in his prime against Max Schmeling. I feel he was a little bit green and improved quite a bit after that fight.

The problem was Max Schmeling had watched tapes on Joe Louis, and noticed when Joe Louis threw his jab and then brought it back. Joe Louis would leave it slightly too low, and Max Schmeling got a gameplan together to counter over the top of that slightly low left hand with right hands.

Joe Louis learnt his lesson improved on that and beat the living crap out of Max Schmeling. He almost broke him in half, Joe Louis's other losses were to Ezzard Charles/Rocky Marciano. And he was way-way past his prime by that point.

Schmeling also wasn't in his prime. He was passed it. Even more so in the rematch. I think Louis was closer to his prime in the first fight than Schmeling was to his