Holy crap... Gamboa.

[Taeth]

I guess we will see, I don't think I am wrong, and you guys don't think you are wrong one.

On one point to ICB, I respect what you are saying, but it is contradictory to say Gamboa over use of reflexes is a problem because two of your favorite fighters in Whitaker and Jones, used almost solely reflexes in most situations to not get hit, and both did get hit their fair share. They weren't impossible to hit. I just think because Gamboa is moving so quickly he is more likely to get caught off balance and knocked down, you keep on bringing up how many times he has been down, but how many times has he been hurt, or shown the after affects from the knockdowns? They have all been either flash knockdowns or his feet being in the wrong position when he gets hit.

[ICB]

I guess we will see, I don't think I am wrong, and you guys don't think you are wrong one.

On one point to ICB, I respect what you are saying, but it is contradictory to say Gamboa over use of reflexes is a problem because two of your favorite fighters in Whitaker and Jones, used almost solely reflexes in most situations to not get hit, and both did get hit their fair share. They weren't impossible to hit. I just think because Gamboa is moving so quickly he is more likely to get caught off balance and knocked down, you keep on bringing up how many times he has been down, but how many times has he been hurt, or shown the after affects from the knockdowns? They have all been either flash knockdowns or his feet being in the wrong position when he gets hit.

The only difference Taeth is that even though RJJ, Pernell Whitaker. Over used there reflexes they were mostly defensive fighters, and only took risks when they had to. Pernell Whitaker was only knocked down when he clowned too much.

The only real legit knockdown i can remember of Pernell Whitaker's was against Roger Mayweather, the others were mostly balance issues or getting too over confident.

And RJJ as i said hardly ever got caught flush in his prime, and was only knocked down against Lou Del Valle. Which was mostly to do with a wetspot in the ring. Notice that RJJ picked his spots mostly, and only threw lightning combination in spurts. Yuriorkis Gamboa doesn't plus he hasn't ever got defense on his mind at all. Like RJJ, Pernell Whitaker did.

He's too wild infact he actually in some cases reminds me of a very wild version of RJJ, if Yuriorkis Gamboa could think more about defense. Get more technical and use the jab more he will be a force, but until he does he's just a very talented prospect. Who's waiting to get KO'ed despite some of his strong attributes.

[Taeth]

Generally he is too wild, but on Saturday he didn't fight the same way, he was more cautious, he didn't just run in the whole time even though Gonzalez was a guy he could have walked right in on. I think the reason people only throw 20 punches against Gamboa is because they overwhelmed with his speed, power(not true ko power, but he hits hard), output, and movement.

I just rewatched the Gamboa fight last night, and I noticed that Gonzalez did try later on a few times to catch Gamboa with that right hand, and he missed everytime(except one time late when the ref got in the way, which he did a few times too often that fight).

Now I agree 100% Gamboa still has stuff to work on, but to say Saturday night wasn't a vast improvement on the Ramirez and Jimenez fight I would say would be false, and in Gamboa's case it isn't the same stuff other people had to work on. Pacquiao had to learn the basics and learn how to throw something either than his left cross. Gamboa has all the tools already, even defensively, he reacts properly to punches when he sees them coming, he dips well, he bobs well, he has good defensive timing, and obviously those great reflexes, he just needs to respect his opposition more, and learn to hold himself back more. I felt he did to a large degree against Gonzalez, he wasn't rushing headlong in, and he only threw long combinations with his hands by his side a few times.