How weak is the heavyweight division really?

[El Kabong]

Guys like Snipes, Witherspoon, Carl Williams, et al were hardly green rookies. I base that on how well they performed in the ring at the time. And on how Holmes performed throughout his reign.

As for hindsight, well I ain't gonna try and argue about which of us is using that.

Renaldo Snipes 22-0-0....biggest fight before Holmes, split decision wins over Gerrie Coetzee and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

Tim Witherspoon 15-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, he got a majority decision vs Snipes

Carl Williams 16-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, a UD over James Tillis

Marvis Frazier 10-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, a UD vs Joe Bunger

Ossie Ocasio 13-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, a SD and UD vs Jimmy Young.

Imagine someone with under 20 fights getting a title shot with Wladimir, he already gets enough crap as it is.

[CGM]

Guys like Snipes, Witherspoon, Carl Williams, et al were hardly green rookies. I base that on how well they performed in the ring at the time. And on how Holmes performed throughout his reign.

As for hindsight, well I ain't gonna try and argue about which of us is using that.

Renaldo Snipes 22-0-0....biggest fight before Holmes, split decision wins over Gerrie Coetzee and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

Tim Witherspoon 15-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, he got a majority decision vs Snipes

Carl Williams 16-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, a UD over James Tillis

Marvis Frazier 10-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, a UD vs Joe Bunger

Ossie Ocasio 13-0-0...biggest fight before Holmes, a SD and UD vs Jimmy Young.

Imagine someone with under 20 fights getting a title shot with Wladimir, he already gets enough crap as it is.

Your post doesn't say prove a whole lot. Like I said, I basing my opinion on how they handled themelves in the ring against Holmes, not on their previous record.

But if you like, we can talk about the tough victories of Hasim Rahman, Tony Thompson, Sultan Ibragimov, Lamon Brewster, Ray Austin, Calvin Brock, 26 lb smaller Chris Byrd, Sam Peter, Not to mention Corrie Sanders, Jameel McCline, Charles Shufford, Francois Botha, and Derek Jefferson.