Kahn v Barrera???

[JT Rock]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

[ICB]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

[JT Rock]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

I dont care how much you try to shovel my way

World class operators dont fight in chinese gyms with 17 loss fighters nor do they fight 17 fight guys with 4 losses..

Its apparent and you are doing what you do best here and thats try to baffle with BS..

Keep your opinion because Im not changing mine.. end of!!!! He isnt what he used to be.. Do you even remember how many rounds he won in the 24 against Pac and JMM I dont care about your score card Im talking about the official...

109-118 2X 112-115 once Pac

111-116 2x 109-118 once JMM

I would hardly call that impressive, so yea that shoots the argument you made to shit

[ICB]

Barrera is a great a hall of famer and I am an admirer of his, his track record is stellar.

He aint what he used to be, and this is not a good style matchup for him, plain and simple

The facts have been presented, he is an old warhorse with a ton of miles on him, he has retired and had been relegated to fighting a no namer with 18 losses in a chinese gym

Next he is fighting a 17-4-4 fighter in his native mexico

Your going to tell me he aint C+ and still is a top level performer

Those are the indisputable facts

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

I dont care how much you try to shovel my way

World class operators dont fight in chinese gyms with 17 loss fighters nor do they fight 17 fight guys with 4 losses..

Its apparent and you are doing what you do best here and thats try to baffle with BS..

Keep your opinion because Im not changing mine.. end of!!!! He isnt what he used to be.. Do you even remember how many rounds he won in the 24 against Pac and JMM I dont care about your score card Im talking about the official...

109-118 2X 112-115 once Pac

111-116 2x 109-118 once JMM

I would hardly call that impressive, so yea that shoots the argument you made to shit

Why are you getting frustrated for ? im just debating with you thats it, you was bending the truth and wasn't telling the whole story. MAB is fighting tune up fights like he did after his two losses to Junior Jones, i don't get why you feel any different ? why else would he be fighting two bums for other than to get the rust off and get some rounds in ?

You are really clutching at straws now JT, Yea MAB really lost to JMM by 5 points/9 points

Almost every boxing expert and everyone on this forum had that fight a very close fight, and quite a fair amount of people thought MAB won. Your argument is weak and you haven't shot anything to bits. Just because Lewis/Holyfield 1, Whitaker vs Chavez 1, were both draws and the "Official results" you really think those fights were scored that way in a correct way ? please. Thats very flawed logic.

JMM vs MAB was a very close contested battle and i had no problem with JMM getting the result. But by that amount ? get the hell out of here, its not just my opinion its just common sense and knowing how to score a fight.

Manny Pacquiao vs MAB 2 wasn't really close but i feel MAB was pretty much staying there with Manny Pacquiao, until the 9th round where Manny Pacquiao sweeped most of the championship rounds, but i think everyone was pretty much impressed with MAB's performance. He just wasn't active enough.

But i don't see how losing 1 very close decision to the P4P number 2 fighter, and giving a good effort against the P4P number 1 fighter. Is any argument to suggest Amir Khan has a shot against MAB or that MAB is totally shot i just don't get your logic.

[ICB]

No there not facts your bending the truth the fact is how isn't this a good style match up for him ? Manny Pacquiao is faster and more athletic than Amir Khan, yet MAB was able to box smart and hardly get caught with anything devastating, and gave a very good account of himself.

He hasn't showed he has loads of miles on the clock, thats your opinion and a wrong one at that. So your honestly gonna tell me that MAB looked like a fighter with loads of miles on the clock against the two best P4P fighters in the world ?

Lastly he is fighting no namers for tune up fights which is obvious, and too also get used to the weight he obviously isn't going to fight one of the best Lightweights in the world, for a tune up fight is he ?

I dont care how much you try to shovel my way

World class operators dont fight in chinese gyms with 17 loss fighters nor do they fight 17 fight guys with 4 losses..

Its apparent and you are doing what you do best here and thats try to baffle with BS..

Keep your opinion because Im not changing mine.. end of!!!! He isnt what he used to be.. Do you even remember how many rounds he won in the 24 against Pac and JMM I dont care about your score card Im talking about the official...

109-118 2X 112-115 once Pac

111-116 2x 109-118 once JMM

I would hardly call that impressive, so yea that shoots the argument you made to shit

Why are you getting frustrated for ? im just debating with you thats it, you was bending the truth and wasn't telling the whole story. MAB is fighting tune up fights like he did after his two losses to Junior Jones, i don't get why you feel any different ? why else would he be fighting two bums for other than to get the rust off and get some rounds in ?

You are really clutching at straws now JT, Yea MAB really lost to JMM by 5 points/9 points

Almost every boxing expert and everyone on this forum had that fight a very close fight, and quite a fair amount of people thought MAB won. Your argument is weak and you haven't shot anything to bits. Just because Lewis/Holyfield 1, Whitaker vs Chavez 1, were both draws and the "Official results" you really think those fights were scored that way in a correct way ? please. Thats very flawed logic.

JMM vs MAB was a very close contested battle and i had no problem with JMM getting the result. But by that amount ? get the hell out of here, its not just my opinion its just common sense and knowing how to score a fight.

Manny Pacquiao vs MAB 2 wasn't really close but i feel MAB was pretty much staying there with Manny Pacquiao, until the 9th round where Manny Pacquiao sweeped most of the championship rounds, but i think everyone was pretty much impressed with MAB's performance. He just wasn't active enough.

But i don't see how losing 1 very close decision to the P4P number 2 fighter, and giving a good effort against the P4P number 1 fighter. Is any argument to suggest Amir Khan has a shot against MAB or that MAB is totally shot i just don't get your logic.

I tell you what because we are both confidence in our opinion's. Why not just have a bet on the fight ? that settles the argument and the winner gets the bragging rights.

[JT Rock]

I dont care how much you try to shovel my way

World class operators dont fight in chinese gyms with 17 loss fighters nor do they fight 17 fight guys with 4 losses..

Its apparent and you are doing what you do best here and thats try to baffle with BS..

Keep your opinion because Im not changing mine.. end of!!!! He isnt what he used to be.. Do you even remember how many rounds he won in the 24 against Pac and JMM I dont care about your score card Im talking about the official...

109-118 2X 112-115 once Pac

111-116 2x 109-118 once JMM

I would hardly call that impressive, so yea that shoots the argument you made to shit

Why are you getting frustrated for ? im just debating with you thats it, you was bending the truth and wasn't telling the whole story. MAB is fighting tune up fights like he did after his two losses to Junior Jones, i don't get why you feel any different ? why else would he be fighting two bums for other than to get the rust off and get some rounds in ?

You are really clutching at straws now JT, Yea MAB really lost to JMM by 5 points/9 points

Almost every boxing expert and everyone on this forum had that fight a very close fight, and quite a fair amount of people thought MAB won. Your argument is weak and you haven't shot anything to bits. Just because Lewis/Holyfield 1, Whitaker vs Chavez 1, were both draws and the "Official results" you really think those fights were scored that way in a correct way ? please. Thats very flawed logic.

JMM vs MAB was a very close contested battle and i had no problem with JMM getting the result. But by that amount ? get the hell out of here, its not just my opinion its just common sense and knowing how to score a fight.

Manny Pacquiao vs MAB 2 wasn't really close but i feel MAB was pretty much staying there with Manny Pacquiao, until the 9th round where Manny Pacquiao sweeped most of the championship rounds, but i think everyone was pretty much impressed with MAB's performance. He just wasn't active enough.

But i don't see how losing 1 very close decision to the P4P number 2 fighter, and giving a good effort against the P4P number 1 fighter. Is any argument to suggest Amir Khan has a shot against MAB or that MAB is totally shot i just don't get your logic.

I tell you what because we are both confidence in our opinion's. Why not just have a bet on the fight ? that settles the argument and the winner gets the bragging rights.

How am I bending the truth?? He is Old by Boxing standards!!! I was a freshman in high school 1989 when Barrera tuned pro and now I am 33, Marco is old and thats the reality

Also you bring up the Junior Jones losses, why? at that level sure I can see taking 2 scrub fights because he wasnt the renowned world class hall of famer

it wasnt until after that he beat

Tapia

Ayala

Hamed

Kelly

Morales 2X
and other stops along the way.

That he became the legend he is..My point is if you achieved a level of greatness like he did, you dont fight in chinese gyms against God awful opposition. When you regress that far back, your not great anymore, plain and simple. You dont have it, its over..

Kahn has tremendous upside to him, sure he has a suspect chin but he has all the tangibles and tools to be an excellent fighter, if they can work to help protect that chin, than he will do good things.. That my friend will be enough to defeat an old, uninterested past his best Barrera

I am getting no more frustrated than you did at Bilbo when he was debating with you about Kahns speeding, and aspirations of being a champion

[ICB]

Why are you getting frustrated for ? im just debating with you thats it, you was bending the truth and wasn't telling the whole story. MAB is fighting tune up fights like he did after his two losses to Junior Jones, i don't get why you feel any different ? why else would he be fighting two bums for other than to get the rust off and get some rounds in ?

You are really clutching at straws now JT, Yea MAB really lost to JMM by 5 points/9 points

Almost every boxing expert and everyone on this forum had that fight a very close fight, and quite a fair amount of people thought MAB won. Your argument is weak and you haven't shot anything to bits. Just because Lewis/Holyfield 1, Whitaker vs Chavez 1, were both draws and the "Official results" you really think those fights were scored that way in a correct way ? please. Thats very flawed logic.

JMM vs MAB was a very close contested battle and i had no problem with JMM getting the result. But by that amount ? get the hell out of here, its not just my opinion its just common sense and knowing how to score a fight.

Manny Pacquiao vs MAB 2 wasn't really close but i feel MAB was pretty much staying there with Manny Pacquiao, until the 9th round where Manny Pacquiao sweeped most of the championship rounds, but i think everyone was pretty much impressed with MAB's performance. He just wasn't active enough.

But i don't see how losing 1 very close decision to the P4P number 2 fighter, and giving a good effort against the P4P number 1 fighter. Is any argument to suggest Amir Khan has a shot against MAB or that MAB is totally shot i just don't get your logic.

I tell you what because we are both confidence in our opinion's. Why not just have a bet on the fight ? that settles the argument and the winner gets the bragging rights.

How am I bending the truth?? He is Old by Boxing standards!!! I was a freshman in high school 1989 when Barrera tuned pro and now I am 33, Marco is old and thats the reality

Also you bring up the Junior Jones losses, why? at that level sure I can see taking 2 scrub fights because he wasnt the renowned world class hall of famer

it wasnt until after that he beat

Tapia

Ayala

Hamed

Kelly

Morales 2X
and other stops along the way.

That he became the legend he is..My point is if you achieved a level of greatness like he did, you dont fight in chinese gyms against God awful opposition. When you regress that far back, your not great anymore, plain and simple. You dont have it, its over..

Kahn has tremendous upside to him, sure he has a suspect chin but he has all the tangibles and tools to be an excellent fighter, if they can work to help protect that chin, than he will do good things.. That my friend will be enough to defeat an old, uninterested past his best Barrera

I am getting no more frustrated than you did at Bilbo when he was debating with you about Kahns speeding, and aspirations of being a champion

First off i never got frustated at Bilbo i just pointed out, why i dislike Amir Khan i never once got frustrated. Secondly 33 years old isn't always old for some fighters. Granted MAB isn't what he used to be but what im not getting is how the hell you can tell MAB is a C+ fighter.

When MAB gave very good account of himself against two of the best P4P fighters in the world. And hasn't shown he is a C+ fighter, your just assuming there is no evidence of that in his last few fights.

The reason im bringing up the Junior Jones losses, is because he's doing exactly what he's doing now what he done then. Take a break from boxing, then fight a couple of journeyman fighters to get the rust off, to get ready to start fighting better opponents in the future.

And i think your really overrating Amir Khan here, i don't think he has the tools to be an excellent fighter at all. His defense is terrible at times and his chin is just ridiculously bad. Sure he has speed and some pop, but he hasn't got the talent that fighters like Yuriorkis Gamboa, Abner Mares, have.

Weak chin or not if you have great skills, you shouldn't be getting dropped and hurt by D class fighters. Terry Norris had a very weak chin but he reigned at Jr Middleweight for years, because he had excellent skills. Thomas Hearns had a suspect chin but he had excellent skills and look what he achieved.

So these fighters could more often than not get away with it because they have excellent skills. Amir Khan doesn't he has talent for certain but does he have excellent skills or have the tools be an excellent fighter ? you have to be kidding me he isn't even the most talented prospect at the moment.

[DatsiK]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

[leftylee]

Khan beats Barrera.

Barrera is an old man. He is far from elite now. Is the determination still there ? I doubt it. He's been there and done it.

Khan wants to prove the critics wrong. And he will. His speed will be too much for Barrera at this stage of his career. Khan is so fast, and he has power too. I already put £100 down at the bookies yesterday on Khan.

Freddie Roach will be the key ingredient. Freddie knows how to beat Barrera and his weaknesses.

[:::PSL:::]

Khan beats Barrera.

Barrera is an old man. He is far from elite now. Is the determination still there ? I doubt it. He's been there and done it.

Khan wants to prove the critics wrong. And he will. His speed will be too much for Barrera at this stage of his career. Khan is so fast, and he has power too. I already put £100 down at the bookies yesterday on Khan.

Freddie Roach will be the key ingredient. Freddie knows how to beat Barrera and his weaknesses.

Agreed.

[Violent Demise]

I can see Barrera having a hard time dealing with Con's speed early on. But Barrera just needs to land one flush shot. That's it. The flashbacks will start flooding Con's mind and he'll freeze up. Barrera will see it and jump on him. Barrera by mid round knock out. Con fires Roach afterwards.

[ICB]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

MAB fought 3 or 4 easy fights after the 2 losses to Junior Jones, so i don't get your point ? mostly every boxer in the history of boxing, who is coming off a loss or is ring rusty takes a few easy fights.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

I don't think JT and Joey understand what 'tune up' means.

[donnydarkoIRL]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

I don't think JT and Joey understand what 'tune up' means.

He's been actively getting Knocked the F**k Out has he not?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I agree with JT, the facts don't lie. Sure, he may of gave a good account of himself against JMM and Pac but these were OVER 1 year ago and since then he hasn't been terribly active. The sport of boxing has saw people deteriate in a year of unactive boxing many times. Infact I'd probably say DLH got beat so bad due to his inactivity.. 5 fights in as many years?

The clear facts here are we know how sharp, fast and agile Amir is in the ring currently.. he's been active. We won't know just how good Barrera still is until he steps into the ring.. so in my eyes it's more of a risk for Barrera if anything.

Mentally he could be washed up too.. he can't think too highly of himself anymore if his comeback fight is against a no name in china followed by another no name.

I don't think JT and Joey understand what 'tune up' means.

He's been actively getting Knocked the F**k Out has he not?

Well I was referring to Barrera getting a couple of tune up fights but yes, Amir has been getting knocked out