Haye would Steamroll Areolla

[Violent Demise]

haye clipped barret a few times and that was enough to send him down... the first clean shot that hit Barret completely fucked him... obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight but you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division

I'd love to see him box sam peter, I think that'd be the best yard stick for him.

You sure impress easy don't you? It was Monte Barrett. Saying it out loud. Monte Barrett. 37 year old, never won a big fight in his life Monte Barrett. Cliff Couser knocked him out. Yes that Cliff Couser.

That's not what I'm saying. You're making out as if Barrett was taking haye's best shots for 5 rounds before finally succumbing getting KO'd.

When did I say that Barrett had a massive chin or that Haye's power was extremely impressive at heavyweight. I actually said to the contrary "obviously haye isn't going to have the power of some of the bigger heavyweights... he lacks the size and weight"

You really are stupid aren't you. If you actually read people's posts properly you wouldn't come off as being so retarded.

I did read (and laughed) at your moronic post. And this is what your dumb ass said

"you'd be pretty stupid to doubt that he doesn't have the power to hang with the division"

Based on what? Cuz he stopped almost everybody at Cruiserweight? Nah. Cruisers ain't Heavy's. Maybe cuz he stopped Monte Barrett? Not good enough. Barrett was the same size as him and 37 years old. Oh I know. Cuz he stopped Heavyweight Tomaz Bonin a couple years ago, right? LOL. No. Bonin was smaller than Haye. Not to mention he's crap. Facts are Haye hasn't stopped or faced an opponent bigger or stronger than him. So to say he has the power to hang with the division is (like you) stupid. Cuz it hasn't been proven.

[AdamGB]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

[RozzySean]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Chris Byrd was a slick boxer with 10x the skill of Haye...and he got stopped several times. He didn't have much power at all. Both Mayweather and Byrd were successful fighting bigger men because they were fast and EXTREMELY skilled. Haye is just fast. He probably has more power than Byrd, but he doesn't have Mayweather's or Byrd's defense, he's not a southpaw like Byrd, and he doesn't have the counterpunching of Byrd or Mayweather. Typically, undersized fighters can't fight Haye's style and be effective fighting bigger men unless they are also very elusive and/or have a great chin (example...Tyson or Frazier). Haye is neither elusive or iron-jawed.

David Haye is a smallish, fast, aggressive HW with a suspect chin and unknown power at HW. It's foolish to predict that Haye would steamroll anybody except shot fighters, mediocre fighters or fighters who are both shot and never better than mediocre. Haye would struggle with Eddie Chambers. Seriously.

Arreola's stoppage wins over Walker, Witherspoon, and Couser (who KO'd Barrett, and Tann are more than Haye has done at HW.

If Arreola came into the fight in shape, like he did against Witherspoon, he would batter David Haye around the ring. Arreola can, if he chooses, box well, but he prefers to neglect roadwork, show up fat, and just pummel guys if doesn't see them as a threat - because he can. I'm convinced, based on the shape he got himself into for the Witherspoon fight, that when he gets a big fight, he will show up properly prepared.

[Violent Demise]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Chris Byrd was a slick boxer with 10x the skill of Haye...and he got stopped several times. He didn't have much power at all. Both Mayweather and Byrd were successful fighting bigger men because they were fast and EXTREMELY skilled. Haye is just fast. He probably has more power than Byrd, but he doesn't have Mayweather's or Byrd's defense, he's not a southpaw like Byrd, and he doesn't have the counterpunching of Byrd or Mayweather. Typically, undersized fighters can't fight Haye's style and be effective fighting bigger men unless they are also very elusive and/or have a great chin (example...Tyson or Frazier). Haye is neither elusive or iron-jawed.

David Haye is a smallish, fast, aggressive HW with a suspect chin and unknown power at HW. It's foolish to predict that Haye would steamroll anybody except shot fighters, mediocre fighters or fighters who are both shot and never better than mediocre. Haye would struggle with Eddie Chambers. Seriously.

Arreola's stoppage wins over Walker, Witherspoon, and Couser (who KO'd Barrett, and Tann are more than Haye has done at HW.

If Arreola came into the fight in shape, like he did against Witherspoon, he would batter David Haye around the ring. Arreola can, if he chooses, box well, but he prefers to neglect roadwork, show up fat, and just pummel guys if doesn't see them as a threat - because he can. I'm convinced, based on the shape he got himself into for the Witherspoon fight, that when he gets a big fight, he will show up properly prepared.

This is a man that knows his Boxing. Great post.

[Violent Demise]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

[AdamGB]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

[WelshDevilRob]

David Haye is a devastating puncher with sublime skills - he just elects to use his reflexes then detonate.

That is David Haye - can't see any debate about his power - its a fukkin gimme.

[AdamGB]

David Haye is a devastating puncher with sublime skills - he just elects to use his reflexes then detonate.

That is David Haye - can't see any debate about his power - its a fukkin gimme.

One thing that does worry me is his strength (not punching power) at heavy... Barrett walked him around the ring a few times... don't know if Haye was allowing him to do this or not, possibly not wanting to waste energy but this is why I'd like to see him in with some other heavyweights such as Sam Peter or Chagaev first.

Sparred a few people a couple of weight divisions above me and even if they're less skilled and in some case don't have as much pop on their shots the size and weight can make it much harder to control the ring. Hopefully he was letting Barrett burn up his energy a little in the clinchs and letting the ref sort it. wish I'd done the same in my last fight instead of getting my shoulder partially dislocated!

I'd like to see him more focused too, he got hit at times by Barrett when he shouldn't have... looked like he just wasn't concentrating, he was slipping some crisp shots but then seemingly not noticing some uglier jabs coming at him... hope he's sharper against somebody who's power he respects more.

[WelshDevilRob]

David Haye is a devastating puncher with sublime skills - he just elects to use his reflexes then detonate.

That is David Haye - can't see any debate about his power - its a fukkin gimme.

One thing that does worry me is his strength (not punching power) at heavy... Barrett walked him around the ring a few times... don't know if Haye was allowing him to do this or not, possibly not wanting to waste energy but this is why I'd like to see him in with some other heavyweights such as Sam Peter or Chagaev first.

I'd like to see him more focused too, he got hit at times by Barrett when he shouldn't have... looked like he just wasn't concentrating, he was slipping some crisp shots but then seemingly not noticing some uglier jabs coming at him... hope he's sharper against somebody who's power he respects more.

I agree Adam,

I would love to see him in against Chagaev as he offers strength but is also pretty versatile - not a bad puncher either.
I'm not sure about Peter as his head doesn't seem to be in a boxing ring -outside problems that seem to have affected his focus and he seems like a bad trainer (maybe the money and fame)

The strength thing - well Yes that seemed to be something though I wonder if that was just Barrett using all his strength in close and Haye not expecting it because Barrett really couldn't hit him - I think I have watched the fight 6 times and Barrett doesn't land much at all - down to Hayes superb head reflexes.

He did get careless about round 3 and seemed to leave himself off balance while trying fancy powershots - I think he knew then it was in the bag and will definately concentrate, stay to a plan when the opponent is more threatning.

He has the ability, speed, reflexes to box and move but cos of the power and expectation he doesn't do it. But there comes a time when you need to ala Lennox vs Tua.

On next opponent well it seems the Klitschkos are busy so he should fight these 2 Eddie Chambers and Alexander Dimentchko - one for movement and distance and one for the height power.

I hope he doesn't wait 6 months for a fight - the Klitschkos are keeping busy and so should he.

[Violent Demise]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

"to be fairly successful in the division"

Did you post that? Or did I twist your fukking words again? Your about to trip your going backwards so fast. Haye didn't come to Heavyweight to be fairly successful. He came to take over the fukking division. Which I don't think he can cuz I see no evidence of him having the power to do it.

I gave you reasons why Haye would not steamroll Arreola (read the thread title, stupid). You speak up for Haye but give no reasons why he would. Instead you go completely off topic talking about Byrd and Mayweather.

[AdamGB]

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

"to be fairly successful in the division"

Did you post that? Or did I twist your fukking words again? Your about to trip your going backwards so fast.

You still haven't quoted where I said that Haye had devastating power for a Heavyweight... or where I said that Haye would steam roll Areolla... or where I said Haye was going to take the division over.

Where? Quote it. Show me what I've said and then how I've back tracked from that.

Haye didn't come to Heavyweight to be fairly successful. He came to take over the fukking division. no shit... Which I don't think he can cuz I see no evidence of him having the power to do it. Good for you, I repsect your opinon but I disgaree.

I gave you reasons why Haye would not steamroll Arreola (read the thread title, stupid haha, everybody can see who needs to read things properly!). You speak up for Haye but give no reasons why he would. When did I say he would steamroll Arreola? the only reason I posted in this thread was to tell you how much of an idiot you are for basing a fighters one punch KO power off the round number they managed to catch somebody clean in Instead you go completely off topic talking about Byrd and Mayweather. How was it completely off topic? you got all excited when I said that Haye had enough power to hang in the division... by that I mean he has power to be respected, even at heavy, maybe not blast the bigger heavys out... after repeating it 3 times I felt you needed an analogy of what I meant because it obviously wasn't sinking in and obviously still isn't

I don't know what more can be said... I've made two simple statements, nothing else:

1) You're an idiot for comparing how many rounds a fighter took to KO another fighter and basing their punch power off that.

2) Haye has enough power to be respected off anybody he faces/hang with the division/not get mugged out of the ring/box effectively (pick a colour, they all mean basically the same thing... just pick ONE though... more than that and the different wording might confuse you)

I didn't say that:

Haye had devastating power at heavyweight
Haye was going to dominate the division
Haye would easily beat Areolla

Try as hard as you want to but I guarantee you will not be able to quote me as saying any of those. I feel like I'm not debating boxing with you so much as your ability to understand basic english.

[Violent Demise]

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

"to be fairly successful in the division"

Did you post that? Or did I twist your fukking words again? Your about to trip your going backwards so fast.

You still haven't quoted where I said that Haye had devastating power for a Heavyweight... or where I said that Haye would steam roll Areolla... or where I said Haye was going to take the division over.

Where? Quote it. Show me what I've said and then how I've back tracked from that.

Haye didn't come to Heavyweight to be fairly successful. He came to take over the fukking division. no shit... Which I don't think he can cuz I see no evidence of him having the power to do it. Good for you, I repsect your opinon but I disgaree.

I gave you reasons why Haye would not steamroll Arreola (read the thread title, stupid haha, everybody can see who needs to read things properly!). You speak up for Haye but give no reasons why he would. When did I say he would steamroll Arreola? the only reason I posted in this thread was to tell you how much of an idiot you are for basing a fighters one punch KO power off the round number they managed to catch somebody clean in Instead you go completely off topic talking about Byrd and Mayweather. How was it completely off topic? you got all excited when I said that Haye had enough power to hang in the division... by that I mean he has power to be respected, even at heavy, maybe not blast the bigger heavys out... after repeating it 3 times I felt you needed an analogy of what I meant because it obviously wasn't sinking in and obviously still isn't

I don't know what more can be said... I've made two simple statements, nothing else:

1) You're an idiot for comparing how many rounds a fighter took to KO another fighter and basing their punch power off that.

2) Haye has enough power to be respected off anybody he faces/hang with the division/not get mugged out of the ring/box effectively (pick a colour, they all mean basically the same thing... just pick ONE though... more than that and the different wording might confuse you)

I didn't say that:

Haye had devastating power at heavyweight
Haye was going to dominate the division
Haye would easily beat Areolla

Try as hard as you want to but I guarantee you will not be able to quote me as saying any of those. I feel like I'm not debating boxing with you so much as your ability to understand basic english.

What happened is you went so far out there you got lost. Let me bring you back. All that's require from you is a simple yes or no. Nothing else. I'm hoping something this simple is not above your capabilities.

Do you think David "The Haymaker" Haye would steamroll (crush, destroy, annihilate) Chris "The Nightmare" Arreola? Yes or no. Simple one word answer. No essay required.

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Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

"to be fairly successful in the division"

Did you post that? Or did I twist your fukking words again? Your about to trip your going backwards so fast. Haye didn't come to Heavyweight to be fairly successful. He came to take over the fukking division. Which I don't think he can cuz I see no evidence of him having the power to do it.

I gave you reasons why Haye would not steamroll Arreola (read the thread title, stupid). You speak up for Haye but give no reasons why he would. Instead you go completely off topic talking about Byrd and Mayweather.

Not even a 91% KO ratio ?

[El Kabong]

Not even a 91% KO ratio ?

...maybe if Arreola was a cruiserweight I would worry but things being as they are Cris ain't going to see cruiserweight anytime soon

[RozzySean]

You're not getting it are you... he has enough power to make the heavyweights he fights notice.

Fuck... powder punching Chris Byrd was able to survive in the division wasn't he?... didn't do too baddly? Haye hasn't proven that he has enough power to seriously hurt the biggest heavys but to say that he doesn't have the power to even hang in the division is moronic.

again, you need to read what is actually being said and base your arguments on that.

Don't try and switch what has been said, you inferred that I was seriously impressed by Hayes power at Heavyweight because he managed to knock out MONTE FUCKING BARRET... bullshit.

Twisting what people have said to suit your argument only works when it isn't painfully blatant.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have the power of most natural Welterweights... but he isn't so feather fisted at WW that he's been ineffective at the weight... that's all I'm saying about Haye. I don't see what is so unclear.

Nobody is twisting your words. Your moronic posts are laid out so everybody can see. Which is why your back peddling faster than your mom when she sees the cops. You went from "Haye having the power to hang with the division" to "Haye having power to make them notice". That's a big fukking difference. Which one is it?

And how the fukk are you going to compare Haye situation to Chris Byrds or Floyd Mayweather's? You really are a fukking idiot. News flash! Haye fights nothing like Byrd or Mayweather. Those are terrible examples. Bryd and Floyd are defensive first fighters. Is Haye? No he's not. If Haye is going to suceed at Heavyweight it will be because of power. Power that nobody knows if he even has

oh dear...

When did I back pedal?

Unless 'hang with the heavies' translates to 'destroy the heavys' to you then I don't really see what statement I changed.

haye has the power to hang with the heavys - Haye his hard enough that he can effectively use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly successful in the division

haye has the power to make the heavys notice - Haye his hard enough that he can effectivly use attributes he has at heavy to be fairly sucsessful in the division

Can you please show me EXACTLY were I said that he has devastating power? You still haven't done so, despite me asking and the forum having a GIANT QUOTE BUTTON for you to do so.

You're reading way too far into what I said, I wasn't comparing haye's style, skills or even level of Talent to Byrd and definetly not MAYWEATHER...

I went for those examples because I thought they were so fucking obvious even you'd get it... Mayweather and Byrd may not hit as hard as other people in the division... but they both hit hard enough to support their styles and allow them to use their best atrributes to HANG WITH THE DIVISION AND NOT JUST GET BLASTED OUT OF THE RING.

What Haye has in his favour are hand speed, mobility and explosiveness. If he punched like a middle weight he wouldn't be able to use these advantages against the heavys... but the fact is that he at least hits hard enough to allow this to be a factor... same as Floyd Mayweather is going to be KOing WWs left right and centre but has enough pop on his shots that his style can still be EFFECTIVE AND HE CAN HANG WITH THE DIVISION

All I have tried to say in this thread is that

a) Haye hits hard enough that he can hang with the division and not just get blasted out of the ring

b) my original point - who gives a shit if one fighter KOd Barrett in two and Haye 'only' managed it in 5... this isn't top trumps VD... don't be such an idiot.. there's 100s of factors that effect it... if haye had KO'd him in the 4th instead of the 5th would that mean that he hit 20% harder? I'm not saying that Haye is a monsterous puncher at Heavyweight... just that you're a retard for basing the punching power of a fighter on what round the KO'd somebody... watch the fucking fight and base your comments off that... you could read that on boxrec

I've had to use colour coded messages, giant bold writing, bullet points... all of this two get two simple points a made to you whilst you go off on some tangent and act like I'm comparing Haye's power to Tyson.

Gonna have to drop this soon son... I'm not prepared to draw pictures for you and I can see that being the next step.

One last time:

The round number one punch KO happends in has no relevance to their one punch power... especially when their opponent has been spoling for the majoriy of a fight.

You just need to watch haye punch (not read boxrec) to know that he has enough fire power to be EFFECTIVE in the division (not blast through everybody... calm down... no one is saying that, I think Haye has potential but I'd like to see him fight somebody like Sam peter before judging him more)

jesus... so many fucking words for something so simple

At LW and against natural JWW fighters, Floyd Mayweather has very good power. Against legit, true quality WW's, he doesn't. I've seen Haye. His power is impressive at CW. He clearly has the power to take out journeyman HW's. That's clear. We all know that he can have some success in the HW division. I don't think anybody denies that. But there is ZERO evidence to suggest that his power will carry to top quality HW's. There is also evidence that he's going to have trouble taking shots from quality power punching HW's. This is not to say that he MIGHT not have power that carries to the HW division. However, given his style, size, mediocre defense, and suspect chin, it's very optimistic to think this guy will "take the division by storm" or "steamroll" anybody who is a legit top 5 or even top 10 HW. Haye ain't KOing Sam Peter, and Sam Peter could end a fight with Haye very quickly. That's not to say that Haye doesn't have a chance against him, but don't think that wouldn't be a very risky fight. Chamber would pick him apart with counters. Either Klit would KO him with fury. Arreola would be an interesting fight. Though another interesting fight, Povetkin would probably outwork him and take charge late in the fight.