Margaritos Camp Offers An Explanation

[Trainer Monkey]

Where is the WBA in all this? This was a WBA title fight correct, shouldn't they shoulder some responsibility in checking equipment prior to the fight?
Shouldn't this be part of the sanctioning bodies tasks?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but my interpretation of "sanctioning" is saying this is a legal title fight.

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

[killersheep]

Where is the WBA in all this? This was a WBA title fight correct, shouldn't they shoulder some responsibility in checking equipment prior to the fight?
Shouldn't this be part of the sanctioning bodies tasks?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but my interpretation of "sanctioning" is saying this is a legal title fight.

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

[Julius Rain]

I hope it isnt true, loading up your glove is a serious crime. I'd hate for tony to do jail time, he just doesn't seem to be that type of guy. I really believe he had no idea if his gloves were loaded. As much as I loved how shane won, I think they totally fucked up tony's concentration with this bullshit. Im not making excuses for tony but anybody who is getting ready to go into a fight after a long long preperation and training period, would have flash backs of his accomplishment and worry he would be accuse of something very serious.

Another person im worried about is cotto, heres a young undefeated guy who has all the potential to be one of the greatest. Yet he loses to tony who is currently under investigation. I have questions like, what if cotto will never be the same fighter after that devestating defeat to tony and he lost because tonys gloves were loaded. it would be a real shame, that is why i can not get mad at guys like danny g.

I just hope this turns out to be nothing and cottos lost to tony is legit, and they both carry on their careers.

[Macho]

The people have to understand when boxers going to fight should use a new dry Hand-Wraps for boxing , not that humid Hand-Wraps or gauze with sustance for feel more harder their fist ,that was that created the big issue , i hope all this thing is not true , this will affect all Margaros career ....................Is sad to see all of this issue

[Trainer Monkey]

Where is the WBA in all this? This was a WBA title fight correct, shouldn't they shoulder some responsibility in checking equipment prior to the fight?
Shouldn't this be part of the sanctioning bodies tasks?

Maybe I'm out of line here, but my interpretation of "sanctioning" is saying this is a legal title fight.

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

[killersheep]

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

[Trainer Monkey]

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

[killersheep]

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

How is that ok especially in a title fight? It would not be a big deal given the budget of the WBA and the California State Athletic Commision, to pay someone to stand there and watch them wrap their hands, put on their gloves and be safe about it. Shit like this has happened before, and unnecessary and serious injuries have happened. I don't understand you saying, that's the way it's been in the past so it's fine to do it this way now...........

[Trainer Monkey]

I didnt say it was OK,I said it was the way it is. That little prefunctory hand grab you see on tape when your watching a fight right before their coming out,that really is it,thats the check. The promoters pick the gloves,and they reuse them until there isnt anything left to reuse,Ive got gloves nobody is even allowed to use on the bags because they might hurt themselves that are in better shape,then some of the gloves being used in pro fights. If they dont catch something there,it remains uncaught. Im betting hard that somebody from Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's and knew about it in advance.

[RP33]

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

How is that ok especially in a title fight? It would not be a big deal given the budget of the WBA and the California State Athletic Commision, to pay someone to stand there and watch them wrap their hands, put on their gloves and be safe about it. Shit like this has happened before, and unnecessary and serious injuries have happened. I don't understand you saying, that's the way it's been in the past so it's fine to do it this way now...........

EXACTLY my point!!

TM, especially being a part of the sport as much as he talks about, should not be so casual about this. If i were in his position, KNOWING that this took place, i'd have probably originally posted something saying "THIS happened because they're too casual with checking and it's an issue."

There is someone watching their hands wrapped, and that was my point from the beginning if you look at my original post. I simply stated that if there is someone watching the hand wrapping at every fight, how is it possible that margarito has done this before and not been caught? I'm NOT SAYING HE HASNT DONE IT, but i'm simply asking the question. I find it hard to believe that if he did this previously, and consistently that it took this long for it to be caught.

And you also made the point that i was trying to make to TM. I don't care how hectic the job is, although i understand and respect it, but it is YOUR JOB to make sure the hands are wrapped legally and safe. This was a title fight, a huge fight, there should be more than one person watching the wrapping if thats the case.

If you watch some of the big PPV fights, they interview the fighter in their dressing room while the instructions are given to them, and if you notice there are a number of guys there watching the hands being wrapped. This is protocol.. hence the "i've already given you the instructions in your dressing rooms" line at the beginning of every fight. It's not JUST when the ref checks their gloves at the beginning of the fight. If that were the case you could put bricks in your gloves.