Margaritos Camp Offers An Explanation

[RP33]

Really RP?
There were rumors floating for years that Craig Nettles was corking his bat,it took the thing exploding for him to finally get caught.
Gaylord Perry is in the Hall Of Fame, and he bluntly said his best pitch was a spitball
Both of those are illegal,though I will say,I have no idea why they are.
The rules call for a wooden bat and your own physical skills.So who cares if the bats hollow,or one of your physical skills is to hock a luger on cue?
Never really understood those two rules. I can see bringing in a foriegn object to scuff the ball,or loading your bat with lead shot to get more oomph behind it.

You can't compare modern day sports to the past, there is just too much differential over the last 30 years.. Nowadays, anytime a manager walks out of the dugout and has a good enough reason to check a bat for excessive pine tar or corking, chances are that it will be done..

With instant replay and the technology we have today, spitballs would easily be detected.. It's basically anything to change the appearance of the ball, and with cameras today, you can stop a hummingbirds wings, so you can easily stop a pitch while it's on it's way to the plate.

I just used those as an example, and i'll say it AGAIN.. These incidents do not effect someones life in the way that loaded gloves would. I find it VERY hard to believe that ANYONE would be apprehensive to question someones wrappings before putting gloves on.. This is the persons job to make sure the wrappings are safe and legal..

But who would be the 'league' in this case? The commission? So Margarito gets suspended, there's nothing to stop him from going over to New Jersey or New York for his next bout.

Whoever is inspecting his wrapping is the league. If that's the commision, then yes..

If he got caught in New Jersey for attempting to load his gloves, and it was publicized, like this incident has, do you think that if he's fighting in New York that they wouldn't pay close attention to this?

We're getting off track here.. my point was simply that it is someones job, and responsibility to make it a fair fight. This includes monitoring the wrapping of his gloves. If he loads his gloves, and they do not see it, then they're failing to do their job. They should be held responsible for it.

[Trainer Monkey]

Cmon,everybody secretly knows Bonds was juicing on HGH,just without proof,what can you do.
And if you broke in to his house screaming "AHA,IVE GOT YOU NOW" and there was no got to get,youd look pretty bad

[RP33]

Cmon,everybody secretly knows Bonds was juicing on HGH,just without proof,what can you do.
And if you broke in to his house screaming "AHA,IVE GOT YOU NOW" and there was no got to get,youd look pretty bad

There are accounts of Bonds testing positive for steroids.. Unfortunately it was before the steroid tests were implemented. Therefore, when you have money, and some big names working for you, you will find those loopholes (See: OJ Simpson)..

It's not a secret, and they have proof.

This is still a chemical test versus a human witnessing a physical object being illegal..

This is a BIG deal, and in sports, ESPECIALLY as testosterone driven as boxing, I don't think there needs to be a quiet voice.. If someone travels in a basketball game, everyone yells "THATS A TRAVEL!!" to the ref.. I don't think that if someones life was on the line, anyone would be quiet about worrying about loaded gloves.

You're used to boxing, financially, on a much much much much lesser level.. and i don't mean that in a bad way at all.. i'm just saying that these boxers are making millions upon millions.. the promoters are very wealthy, and these are professionals.. If there is not someone monitoring the wrapping of gloves in every fight, then there are issues far beyond this one incident.

[Trainer Monkey]

Cmon,everybody secretly knows Bonds was juicing on HGH,just without proof,what can you do.
And if you broke in to his house screaming "AHA,IVE GOT YOU NOW" and there was no got to get,youd look pretty bad

There are accounts of Bonds testing positive for steroids.. Unfortunately it was before the steroid tests were implemented. Therefore, when you have money, and some big names working for you, you will find those loopholes (See: OJ Simpson)..

It's not a secret, and they have proof.

This is still a chemical test versus a human witnessing a physical object being illegal..

This is a BIG deal, and in sports, ESPECIALLY as testosterone driven as boxing, I don't think there needs to be a quiet voice.. If someone travels in a basketball game, everyone yells "THATS A TRAVEL!!" to the ref.. I don't think that if someones life was on the line, anyone would be quiet about worrying about loaded gloves.

You're used to boxing, financially, on a much much much much lesser level.. and i don't mean that in a bad way at all.. i'm just saying that these boxers are making millions upon millions.. the promoters are very wealthy, and these are professionals.. If there is not someone monitoring the wrapping of gloves in every fight, then there are issues far beyond this one incident.

They really arent,the cuts are the same levels,its just the size of the pie. Those cuts are more or less industry standards,in some cases they're mandated by law,in some cases we just agree to do it like that.
So we've had this discussion before about boxer pay.
And Im a little higher on the food chain then you think,Ive booked a little higher then that.
By the time it reaches fight night,the promoter is only there to wave and wear a nice suit. At that point its down to the event coordinators,you can almost watch them develop grey hairs,boxers are like herding cats. The commision guy is overworked as hell too, he gives the wraps a perfunctory little squeeze at best,even for a prize fight.
Now in this case,the commision is saying they saw dust come off his wraps,very well could be true.
But I have a suspicion somebody knew something

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm sure I read somewhere that because it was discovered brfore Margarito got in the ring the worst he can expect even if he's found to have had illegal stuff in his gloves is a fine.

[Trainer Monkey]

I'm sure I read somewhere that because it was discovered brfore Margarito got in the ring the worst he can expect even if he's found to have had illegal stuff in his gloves is a fine.

He was allready looking at a 30 day no contact suspension for getting KTFO,you add this in,if its proven,we're looking at a possible indefinite. And with the high profile of it,I allmost guarantee that.
Yes a commission can do that to you,and in this case,if its proven,I bet they do.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm sure I read somewhere that because it was discovered brfore Margarito got in the ring the worst he can expect even if he's found to have had illegal stuff in his gloves is a fine.

He was allready looking at a 30 day no contact suspension for getting KTFO,you add this in,if its proven,we're looking at a possible indefinite. And with the high profile of it,I allmost guarantee that.
Yes a commission can do that to you,and in this case,if its proven,I bet they do.

I don't think it should make any difference when they discovered it, Margarito and the seconds involved should be banned from boxing for life if it's found to be true. I'm just passing on what I read somewhere. Like you say because it's such a high profile fight they almost have no choice anyway.

[RP33]

Cmon,everybody secretly knows Bonds was juicing on HGH,just without proof,what can you do.
And if you broke in to his house screaming "AHA,IVE GOT YOU NOW" and there was no got to get,youd look pretty bad

There are accounts of Bonds testing positive for steroids.. Unfortunately it was before the steroid tests were implemented. Therefore, when you have money, and some big names working for you, you will find those loopholes (See: OJ Simpson)..

It's not a secret, and they have proof.

This is still a chemical test versus a human witnessing a physical object being illegal..

This is a BIG deal, and in sports, ESPECIALLY as testosterone driven as boxing, I don't think there needs to be a quiet voice.. If someone travels in a basketball game, everyone yells "THATS A TRAVEL!!" to the ref.. I don't think that if someones life was on the line, anyone would be quiet about worrying about loaded gloves.

You're used to boxing, financially, on a much much much much lesser level.. and i don't mean that in a bad way at all.. i'm just saying that these boxers are making millions upon millions.. the promoters are very wealthy, and these are professionals.. If there is not someone monitoring the wrapping of gloves in every fight, then there are issues far beyond this one incident.

They really arent,the cuts are the same levels,its just the size of the pie. Those cuts are more or less industry standards,in some cases they're mandated by law,in some cases we just agree to do it like that.
So we've had this discussion before about boxer pay.
And Im a little higher on the food chain then you think,Ive booked a little higher then that.
By the time it reaches fight night,the promoter is only there to wave and wear a nice suit. At that point its down to the event coordinators,you can almost watch them develop grey hairs,boxers are like herding cats. The commision guy is overworked as hell too, he gives the wraps a perfunctory little squeeze at best,even for a prize fight.
Now in this case,the commision is saying they saw dust come off his wraps,very well could be true.
But I have a suspicion somebody knew something

Can you not be defensive for a second? I don't know if that's possible man.. All i'm saying is that your fights are on a whole different level than these fights.. Don't even entertain the thought that the funds involved with what you do are similar to an HBO, Showtime or PPV fight. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything wrong with you not being on that level, but clearly if you're defending yourself in such a way, maybe you do. Believe me, I was not taking a shot at you.

Regardless of how overworked ANYONE is. These are PROFESSIONALS. Does my boss give a shitt what my reason was that i didn't get something done on time? Unless it was health related, HELL NO. Point being that this is something VERY important if your god damn name is on the belt at stake, and/or if your promotion company is promoting the fight.

You sometimes tend to get a little too involved with intricacies because you feel you know a lot about the sport. We're talking big picture here. Big money. Hundreds of thousands - Millions of viewers. PROFESSIONALS. This is a business.

[Trainer Monkey]

There are accounts of Bonds testing positive for steroids.. Unfortunately it was before the steroid tests were implemented. Therefore, when you have money, and some big names working for you, you will find those loopholes (See: OJ Simpson)..

It's not a secret, and they have proof.

This is still a chemical test versus a human witnessing a physical object being illegal..

This is a BIG deal, and in sports, ESPECIALLY as testosterone driven as boxing, I don't think there needs to be a quiet voice.. If someone travels in a basketball game, everyone yells "THATS A TRAVEL!!" to the ref.. I don't think that if someones life was on the line, anyone would be quiet about worrying about loaded gloves.

You're used to boxing, financially, on a much much much much lesser level.. and i don't mean that in a bad way at all.. i'm just saying that these boxers are making millions upon millions.. the promoters are very wealthy, and these are professionals.. If there is not someone monitoring the wrapping of gloves in every fight, then there are issues far beyond this one incident.

They really arent,the cuts are the same levels,its just the size of the pie. Those cuts are more or less industry standards,in some cases they're mandated by law,in some cases we just agree to do it like that.
So we've had this discussion before about boxer pay.
And Im a little higher on the food chain then you think,Ive booked a little higher then that.
By the time it reaches fight night,the promoter is only there to wave and wear a nice suit. At that point its down to the event coordinators,you can almost watch them develop grey hairs,boxers are like herding cats. The commision guy is overworked as hell too, he gives the wraps a perfunctory little squeeze at best,even for a prize fight.
Now in this case,the commision is saying they saw dust come off his wraps,very well could be true.
But I have a suspicion somebody knew something

Can you not be defensive for a second? I don't know if that's possible man.. All i'm saying is that your fights are on a whole different level than these fights.. Don't even entertain the thought that the funds involved with what you do are similar to an HBO, Showtime or PPV fight. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything wrong with you not being on that level, but clearly if you're defending yourself in such a way, maybe you do. Believe me, I was not taking a shot at you.

Regardless of how overworked ANYONE is. These are PROFESSIONALS. Does my boss give a shitt what my reason was that i didn't get something done on time? Unless it was health related, HELL NO. Point being that this is something VERY important if your god damn name is on the belt at stake, and/or if your promotion company is promoting the fight.

You sometimes tend to get a little too involved with intricacies because you feel you know a lot about the sport. We're talking big picture here. Big money. Hundreds of thousands - Millions of viewers. PROFESSIONALS. This is a business.

No,you misread me,there are governing bodies,that mandate how much you can take from the purse.
And big fights or small,its allways the same level of panic to make sure it all goes off without a hitch. Its rife with an opportunity for something to slip under the wire. Matter of fact the bigger fights a better chance then the smaller ones. Because its just more hectic. If Im putting on a fight in say Blacksburg,well its only so many fighters to deal with,and the commisioner is probably there,because their isnt alot of pro fights in Virginia anyway. If I tried to slide something under the wire there,Id bet Id get get caught trying it. California has high profile cards all the time,and nobody can be everywhere at the same time. Hell Id hate to be commisioner there.
Give me a slot on a commission where maybe one pro fight happens a month.
Ive done big and Ive done small,and while I havent done GREAT BIG,Im sure they are just as chaotic as the others,and Im betting even moreso