Margaritos Camp Offers An Explanation

[killersheep]

The state has to sanction the bout as well,its not just up to the WBA. So if the state athletic commission doesnt like it,you cease to have a fight.

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

[Trainer Monkey]

Fine, why weren't either the California State Athletic Commision OR the WBA involved, between the money in sanctioning fees these two organizations get SOME of it should surely go to making sure the equipment is up to code.

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

[killersheep]

My bet is somebody in Mosely's camp knew he was juicing his wraps.They dont check wraps that heavily normally. The guys both train within miles of each other,so its not beyond the pale that someone who was in Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's.
My bet is somebody quietly said,"You wanna check his wraps". And Id think the quiet voice had to be pretty sure,before he wanted a double check.
I still hope this all turns out to be BS,because Margarito is a fun fighter to watch. But hearing that explanation makes me seriously consider that it isnt.

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

How is that ok especially in a title fight? It would not be a big deal given the budget of the WBA and the California State Athletic Commision, to pay someone to stand there and watch them wrap their hands, put on their gloves and be safe about it. Shit like this has happened before, and unnecessary and serious injuries have happened. I don't understand you saying, that's the way it's been in the past so it's fine to do it this way now...........

[Trainer Monkey]

I didnt say it was OK,I said it was the way it is. That little prefunctory hand grab you see on tape when your watching a fight right before their coming out,that really is it,thats the check. The promoters pick the gloves,and they reuse them until there isnt anything left to reuse,Ive got gloves nobody is even allowed to use on the bags because they might hurt themselves that are in better shape,then some of the gloves being used in pro fights. If they dont catch something there,it remains uncaught. Im betting hard that somebody from Mosely's camp used to be in Margarito's and knew about it in advance.

[Gandalf]

Early signs are not good. I wont pass judgement until the substance is confirmed. I would definitely like to hear Margarito say something before too long. What his camp has said thus far, sounds somewhat implausible.

Loading gloves is criminal and in a risk sport like this should be treated very, very harshly. Just got to wait it out a while longer, and then we can all make a fully informed opnion about what really happened.

[Trainer Monkey]

Early signs are not good. I wont pass judgement until the substance is confirmed. I would definitely like to hear Margarito say something before too long. What his camp has said thus far, sounds somewhat implausible.

Loading gloves is criminal and in a risk sport like this should be treated very, very harshly. Just got to wait it out a while longer, and then we can all make a fully informed opnion about what really happened.

Right now,Im not saying he did or didnt,let the tests happen first. But the red flag that flew up was that someone from Mosely's camp knew to ask that the wraps be re-checked. The explanation given isnt very good at all,I could have given a better explenation then that.Id have said something like,he was sweating hard,and I was using old guaze,not,"Well I overdoctored the guaze a month ago,but in a perfectly legal manner"
This is not very sellable

[RP33]

So you are just going to dissect my question instead of answering it?

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

How is that ok especially in a title fight? It would not be a big deal given the budget of the WBA and the California State Athletic Commision, to pay someone to stand there and watch them wrap their hands, put on their gloves and be safe about it. Shit like this has happened before, and unnecessary and serious injuries have happened. I don't understand you saying, that's the way it's been in the past so it's fine to do it this way now...........

EXACTLY my point!!

TM, especially being a part of the sport as much as he talks about, should not be so casual about this. If i were in his position, KNOWING that this took place, i'd have probably originally posted something saying "THIS happened because they're too casual with checking and it's an issue."

There is someone watching their hands wrapped, and that was my point from the beginning if you look at my original post. I simply stated that if there is someone watching the hand wrapping at every fight, how is it possible that margarito has done this before and not been caught? I'm NOT SAYING HE HASNT DONE IT, but i'm simply asking the question. I find it hard to believe that if he did this previously, and consistently that it took this long for it to be caught.

And you also made the point that i was trying to make to TM. I don't care how hectic the job is, although i understand and respect it, but it is YOUR JOB to make sure the hands are wrapped legally and safe. This was a title fight, a huge fight, there should be more than one person watching the wrapping if thats the case.

If you watch some of the big PPV fights, they interview the fighter in their dressing room while the instructions are given to them, and if you notice there are a number of guys there watching the hands being wrapped. This is protocol.. hence the "i've already given you the instructions in your dressing rooms" line at the beginning of every fight. It's not JUST when the ref checks their gloves at the beginning of the fight. If that were the case you could put bricks in your gloves.

[Trainer Monkey]

Oh come now,even in relatively mid realm fights,half the time you wouldnt use the gloves the fighters are using in the ring in your gym for fear of getting someone hurt.
They dont usually check that close

How is that ok especially in a title fight? It would not be a big deal given the budget of the WBA and the California State Athletic Commision, to pay someone to stand there and watch them wrap their hands, put on their gloves and be safe about it. Shit like this has happened before, and unnecessary and serious injuries have happened. I don't understand you saying, that's the way it's been in the past so it's fine to do it this way now...........

EXACTLY my point!!

TM, especially being a part of the sport as much as he talks about, should not be so casual about this. If i were in his position, KNOWING that this took place, i'd have probably originally posted something saying "THIS happened because they're too casual with checking and it's an issue."

There is someone watching their hands wrapped, and that was my point from the beginning if you look at my original post. I simply stated that if there is someone watching the hand wrapping at every fight, how is it possible that margarito has done this before and not been caught? I'm NOT SAYING HE HASNT DONE IT, but i'm simply asking the question. I find it hard to believe that if he did this previously, and consistently that it took this long for it to be caught.

And you also made the point that i was trying to make to TM. I don't care how hectic the job is, although i understand and respect it, but it is YOUR JOB to make sure the hands are wrapped legally and safe. This was a title fight, a huge fight, there should be more than one person watching the wrapping if thats the case.

If you watch some of the big PPV fights, they interview the fighter in their dressing room while the instructions are given to them, and if you notice there are a number of guys there watching the hands being wrapped. This is protocol.. hence the "i've already given you the instructions in your dressing rooms" line at the beginning of every fight. It's not JUST when the ref checks their gloves at the beginning of the fight. If that were the case you could put bricks in your gloves.

I didnt say they arent too casual about checking equipment,Im of the opinion that they are too casual about it. What I did say is that the only reason they caught him this time,is someone from Mosely's camp specifically asked to have those wraps re-checked,which tells me they knew in advance something was going to stink to high heaven.

[RP33]

How is that ok especially in a title fight? It would not be a big deal given the budget of the WBA and the California State Athletic Commision, to pay someone to stand there and watch them wrap their hands, put on their gloves and be safe about it. Shit like this has happened before, and unnecessary and serious injuries have happened. I don't understand you saying, that's the way it's been in the past so it's fine to do it this way now...........

EXACTLY my point!!

TM, especially being a part of the sport as much as he talks about, should not be so casual about this. If i were in his position, KNOWING that this took place, i'd have probably originally posted something saying "THIS happened because they're too casual with checking and it's an issue."

There is someone watching their hands wrapped, and that was my point from the beginning if you look at my original post. I simply stated that if there is someone watching the hand wrapping at every fight, how is it possible that margarito has done this before and not been caught? I'm NOT SAYING HE HASNT DONE IT, but i'm simply asking the question. I find it hard to believe that if he did this previously, and consistently that it took this long for it to be caught.

And you also made the point that i was trying to make to TM. I don't care how hectic the job is, although i understand and respect it, but it is YOUR JOB to make sure the hands are wrapped legally and safe. This was a title fight, a huge fight, there should be more than one person watching the wrapping if thats the case.

If you watch some of the big PPV fights, they interview the fighter in their dressing room while the instructions are given to them, and if you notice there are a number of guys there watching the hands being wrapped. This is protocol.. hence the "i've already given you the instructions in your dressing rooms" line at the beginning of every fight. It's not JUST when the ref checks their gloves at the beginning of the fight. If that were the case you could put bricks in your gloves.

I didnt say they arent too casual about checking equipment,Im of the opinion that they are too casual about it. What I did say is that the only reason they caught him this time,is someone from Mosely's camp specifically asked to have those wraps re-checked,which tells me they knew in advance something was going to stink to high heaven.

Right.. See bold.

[RP33]

Backstage pass to a world title fight: Exclusive to the Yardbarker nation

I just randomly found this on the web. This is basically a home video right here of fighter Robert Guerrero. This was a Golden Boy fight.. I'll quote from the article..



This is some footage of me in the locker room where I'm warming up about an hour and a half before the fight and the commission is mandated to watch the hand wraps from my cut man Ruben Gomez.

Ruben has worked the corner of over 300 world title fights. He's the best in the business. His hand wraps feel like mini casts on my hands. It truly makes a difference in the fight if my hand wraps are done correctly. In this video you'll see the Arizona Commission rep look closely at the way Gomez is wrapping my hands. There can only be a certain amount of tape allowed.

Not only do they witness the wrapping, but also when he puts the gloves on, they witness the tape near the wrist of the glove, and also the tying of the glove.