Gov, Arnold Schwarznegger: "Team Margarito is going to pay for cheating.

[DC Amateur Boxing]

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Fighters and whoever is wrapping their hands have to be on the same page. You can't just wrap every fighters hands the same - every fighter's hands are different and because of that plus their style of boxing - handwrapping should be different and catered toward the boxer. This happens with feedback, input and learning as they develop that relationship. It also comes in training camp if that relationship isn't already in place (new trainer). Fight night is NOT the first time a fighter gets his hands wrapped by an individual.Even for my boxers that I've wrapped their hands for years - I get feedback to make sure the job feels good TO THEM. Doesn't really matter what I think. I'm no pro at handwrapping, but I know that pros know exactly how the wrap job should feel for them.

My point is that unless they 'loaded' his gloves regulary and during training camp - I would think Margarito either 1) knew something was different that night about the handwraps and planned to keep quiet or 2) he knew all along they "wrapped" his hands that way

I don't really buy the "he didn't know" excuse. A fighters hands are his career. You just don't go to sleep and wake up with your hands wrapped.

[Hunter]

What if Cotto isnt tha same fighter he was prior to Tony and Tony is found guilty of loading his gloves....I think Tony should go to prison.......He essentially robbed Cotto of a Wolrd Championship career....

Dont cry Tony nut huggers...there was no reason for Tony to load his gloves before the Shane fight as compared to his three prior fights.........It is not like he wasnt knocking people out....

by the way this is my 100th post!!!!!! Go SADDO!!!

[OumaFan]

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Fighters and whoever is wrapping their hands have to be on the same page. You can't just wrap every fighters hands the same - every fighter's hands are different and because of that plus their style of boxing - handwrapping should be different and catered toward the boxer. This happens with feedback, input and learning as they develop that relationship. It also comes in training camp if that relationship isn't already in place (new trainer). Fight night is NOT the first time a fighter gets his hands wrapped by an individual.Even for my boxers that I've wrapped their hands for years - I get feedback to make sure the job feels good TO THEM. Doesn't really matter what I think. I'm no pro at handwrapping, but I know that pros know exactly how the wrap job should feel for them.

My point is that unless they 'loaded' his gloves regulary and during training camp - I would think Margarito either 1) knew something was different that night about the handwraps and planned to keep quiet or 2) he knew all along they "wrapped" his hands that way

I don't really buy the "he didn't know" excuse. A fighters hands are his career. You just don't go to sleep and wake up with your hands wrapped.

That's pretty much what I was gonna say except your's was better.

BTW what has gone on with this in the past week, I've been out of the loop, is it still being reviewed?

[Spicoli]

Gov. Arnie should worry more about getting his State out of financial ruin.DAMN...who busted The Governatter in the lip

Tony or any fighter for that matter should not be counted on to micro manage their respected corner people/trainer in doing their jobs.Mind needs to be on the ring and opponent.

Fighters and whoever is wrapping their hands have to be on the same page. You can't just wrap every fighters hands the same - every fighter's hands are different and because of that plus their style of boxing - handwrapping should be different and catered toward the boxer. This happens with feedback, input and learning as they develop that relationship. It also comes in training camp if that relationship isn't already in place (new trainer). Fight night is NOT the first time a fighter gets his hands wrapped by an individual.Even for my boxers that I've wrapped their hands for years - I get feedback to make sure the job feels good TO THEM. Doesn't really matter what I think. I'm no pro at handwrapping, but I know that pros know exactly how the wrap job should feel for them.

My point is that unless they 'loaded' his gloves regulary and during training camp - I would think Margarito either 1) knew something was different that night about the handwraps and planned to keep quiet or 2) he knew all along they "wrapped" his hands that way

I don't really buy the "he didn't know" excuse. A fighters hands are his career. You just don't go to sleep and wake up with your hands wrapped.

Actually a very nice point but I have somewhat of an small idea of the internal bond and communications that are not only existent in a dressing room but throughout a training camp between fighter and trainer.On one hand I would think that after so many years together at a contender and championship level there is less need for a fighter to scrutinize and micro manage his trainer on his everyday duties...and vis versa.A trainer mentors,over sees,guides and corrects among other things as far as I know.The fighter needs to and should be focused on the ring.Just a huge leap in assumption to conclude Tony had knowledge of any thing that frankly has yet to be determined in detail in commission findings.......shite,we don't even know what we know as far as the "it" and to presume we do with a mans career at stake is rash Imo.We're putting the cart before the horse.And no,I'm not making excuses for something or someone that we do not know the full deal on yet...that would be premature.

[Kirkland Laing]

I'm not wanting to get into this before we know the results of the inquiry but I read one guy who says he's been boxing for 20 years and said there's no way on earth anybody doesn't know what's in their wraps. Is this true?

[Phil]

Is it just me or is this taking a crazy amount of time to get the results?
I mean if it was plaster would it not be dry and rock hard now? u think these experts would have been able to sort this shit by now...

[DC Amateur Boxing]

Is it just me or is this taking a crazy amount of time to get the results?
I mean if it was plaster would it not be dry and rock hard now? u think these experts would have been able to sort this shit by now...

It's probably because the statement will include the results, the punishment and the precident for the punishment to make sure that it can stick legally. If it was nothing, I think they would have said that already. "We checked and it's just gause" wouldn't take that long, IMO.

[Phil]

Is it just me or is this taking a crazy amount of time to get the results?
I mean if it was plaster would it not be dry and rock hard now? u think these experts would have been able to sort this shit by now...

It's probably because the statement will include the results, the punishment and the precident for the punishment to make sure that it can stick legally. If it was nothing, I think they would have said that already. "We checked and it's just gause" wouldn't take that long, IMO.

yeah but if he was guilty I'd have thought they'd come out and say, yes an illegal substance was used, then they could go about doing all the legal mumbojumbo shit... just wish they'd release the damn results already

[blegit]

I'm not wanting to get into this before we know the results of the inquiry but I read one guy who says he's been boxing for 20 years and said there's no way on earth anybody doesn't know what's in their wraps. Is this true?

This is absolutely true. I boxed for 17 years and am now a coach and trainer. I wrap hands and have had them wrapped hundreds of times. After a couple of years you can tell every little bit of difference with the gauze. You can tell if its too tight, if there is more or less tape, if there is more or less gauze, and definitely if there is something(especially plaster) added. If Margarito says he did know then he is lying. But what can he really say? He has no other way out. He must play ignorant. I was a Margarito fan but knowing how hard it is in the ring without loaded your gloves I can no longer stand him or his team. This is capital punishment for boxing. Ignorant or dishonest fans can play the "innocent until proven guilty" card all they want but there has to be a lot of truth to this. The approach Margarito's trainer is trying "there was too much gauze" doesn't get you suspended and investigated or a representative of the commission spreading a rumor that is a plaster like substance. I was on the circuit for many years and fighters get told regularly they have too much gauze or tape and never has one of them got suspended. Because there is nothing to investigate. Gauze and tape are LEGAL. Gauze, tape, and vaseline are legal and if you have too much you are instructed to remove. They make them rewrap it or remove it all the time and most times the fans hear nothing of it. Fighters want to find the hardest fist they can have but are restricted to using only what is allowed, gauze and tape, and an approved discretionary amount. This whole situation disgusts me because I have heard so many people try to cop Margarito out in anyway possible. Ignorance, conspiracy, innocent until proven guilty, blah blah blah. Put yourself in the ring across from a guy who is suspended while being investigated for loading his gloves with stone. Imagine you were brutally beaten and knocked out by a guy, like Cotto, who even before his next fight is caught with plaster like substance in his wraps. Would you have the same pro Margarito take? Be dishonest in this forum but keep it real with yourself. People who box are disgusted and rightfully so.