Fights that could help the heavyweight division.

[El Kabong]

I know, it's ridiculous to think that someone like David Haye or Alexander Povetkin is ready to fight THE MAN of the division.....those guys haven't fought anyone with the power, skill, or size or either Klitschko brother.

If boxing cultivated it's prospects then the better fights would come around. So what if Haye or Povetkin lose to someone on their way up, it teaches them and if they learn from it they become better fighters and take that knowledge with them into future fights.

[Greig]

Haye has gone about this all wrong IMO - that's why Wlad will rip him a new one.

He should have used the Holyfield method - starting slowly and gradually building the quality of opposition until he was ready. Before he fought Douglas for the title he went through Quick Tillis, Pinklon Thomas, Dokes, Adilson Rodriguez, Alex Stewart and Seamus McDonagh.

Even Michael Moorer went through guys like Stewart, Bonecrusher, Levi Billups and Bert Cooper (and more) before going for the prize.

Haye thinks he can go through a (relative) patsy like Barrett and then handle a Klitschko??

This type of thinking is endemic in all sports at the moment. Why pay your dues? Why devote real time and devotion to your craft? When you can just build a reputation based on hype and style over substance and then get a crack at the big one for squillions?

[Bomp]

I know, it's ridiculous to think that someone like David Haye or Alexander Povetkin is ready to fight THE MAN of the division.....those guys haven't fought anyone with the power, skill, or size or either Klitschko brother.

If boxing cultivated it's prospects then the better fights would come around. So what if Haye or Povetkin lose to someone on their way up, it teaches them and if they learn from it they become better fighters and take that knowledge with them into future fights.

The thing is, if someone risks their record like Chambers and Povetkin, then the loss is used to shove the loser into the 'who needs him club'. There's no structure even WITHIN each alphabet, a win against a guy with consecutive losses can sometimes get you a shot.

[El Kabong]

The thing is, if someone risks their record like Chambers and Povetkin, then the loss is used to shove the loser into the 'who needs him club'. There's no structure even WITHIN each alphabet, a win against a guy with consecutive losses can sometimes get you a shot.

If Haye isn't confident in fighting Chambers or Povetkin then how the hell can he be confident in fighting Wladimir.

rjjtzsyu, Haye is going to get stomped if he choses to fight Wladimir right away as will Arreola HOWEVER at least Arreola has fought a guy with pretty good power who is a natural heavyweight.

I think Alexander Dimitrenko has the best shot vs Wladimir...he's big he has fast hands he's trained by Fritz Sdunek and he apparently can go to the body pretty good for a big guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIE0OnY6zps

He still needs some fine tuning but that KO shot on Krasniqi was something you don't see everyday from a heavyweight

[HattonTheHammer]

If povetkin can get some foot movement going he`ll own this division within 1-2 years.

For the sake of the heavyweight division i firmly believe non-runners like peter, valuev etc need to be cast aside....ive never ever believed in discriminating against a boxer but the sooner nikolay valuevs name has stopped tarnishing this division the better and i very much hope at some point he is put in with a half decent 6`4+ guy who can actually reach that grotesque chin of his and knock the bum out.

The Klitschkos need to stop fighting stagnent fighters that they can just pop the jab at all night

The likes of povetkin, Haye heck even arreola need to be thrown right into the deep end instead of these tedious number 1 contender match-ups

But most important of all in order for this division to not just remain the prime boxing division but even survive..........

These 18stone+ american talents need to stop being swayed to playing NFL and given decent financial packages for them to get back to boxing!!!

[El Kabong]

Sam Peter shouldn't be cast aside just yet...he's 28 just like Haye. In fact he could prove to be quite a challenge for Haye.

The young guys NEED to get more experience so they can actually compete vs the top level guys. It's not like Povetkin has wowed everyone vs his toughest competition....Eddie Chambers was doing very well vs him and if Eddie can swell his eye up like that then imagine what a big guy like Wladimir or Vitali would do.

[HattonTheHammer]

Sam Peter shouldn't be cast aside just yet...he's 28 just like Haye. In fact he could prove to be quite a challenge for Haye.

The young guys NEED to get more experience so they can actually compete vs the top level guys. It's not like Povetkin has wowed everyone vs his toughest competition....Eddie Chambers was doing very well vs him and if Eddie can swell his eye up like that then imagine what a big guy like Wladimir or Vitali would do.

kinda byest on my own behalf lyle but i just cant stomach seeing the heavyweight division trying to re-brand itself with big 280+ lumps like peter who will bring no star quality to the division.

Pretty much the same with valuev who despite a decent record brings nothing to the sport as a whole and is not welcome if the sport is to once again succeed on a mainstream level.

Arreola may look like a big tub but he brings genuine excitement to the table and for this division to once again to reign supreme thats pretty important.

The heavyweight division needs....

A star champion who can appear to many as not only exciting but almost invincible

contenders in and around that champion who although may not neccesarily have records like a valuev, chagaev fighting bums from their own country but instead a decent record amongst the great fighters of their generation and ability to beat eachother on their own given night

Attitude - more cockyness and complete arrogance from those who have actually earned the right to act that way.

And more american champions..........PLEASE

[rjj tszyu]

The thing is, if someone risks their record like Chambers and Povetkin, then the loss is used to shove the loser into the 'who needs him club'. There's no structure even WITHIN each alphabet, a win against a guy with consecutive losses can sometimes get you a shot.

If Haye isn't confident in fighting Chambers or Povetkin then how the hell can he be confident in fighting Wladimir.

rjjtzsyu, Haye is going to get stomped if he choses to fight Wladimir right away as will Arreola HOWEVER at least Arreola has fought a guy with pretty good power who is a natural heavyweight.

I think Alexander Dimitrenko has the best shot vs Wladimir...he's big he has fast hands he's trained by Fritz Sdunek and he apparently can go to the body pretty good for a big guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIE0OnY6zps

He still needs some fine tuning but that KO shot on Krasniqi was something you don't see everyday from a heavyweight

Well Lyle I'd just like to ask who you predicted would win when Wlad fought Purrity, Sanders and Brewster (first fight), because I'd like to bet you said Wlad would "Stomp" them too!

The point I'm trying to make is that although I do rate Wlad more than a lot of boxing fans do, I don't share your belief that he is this unbeatable machine who Haye has no chance with. At the end of the day Haye is faster than Wlad and he hits hard enough to send any Heavy to sleep and Wlad's chin at the end of the day is hs biggest weakness.