Fights that could help the heavyweight division.

[El Kabong]

I just don't get how these Haye fans can judge a fighter's punching power based on 2 fights at heavyweight! And even then it wasn't vs quality opposition!!!!

Wladimir Klitschko has more KO's than David Haye has heavyweight rounds!! It is absolutely fucking ridiculous to assume Haye's power will carry the same OR BETTER from cruiser to heavyweight....but then again Haye fans aren't known to base their beliefs on reality.

Sure Wladimir has lost before, and sure he's gotten KO'd but at least he didn't get KO'd by a CRUISERWEIGHT who was like 75 years old at the time. Wladimir has his flaws BUT he's a smart fighter and he creates KO's by controlling the pace of a fight, he has very good defense, and he controls the distance with the BEST jab the heavyweight division has seen since Larry Holmes.

If I saw David Haye vs Dimitrenko, McCline, Sam Peter, hell even Oleg Maskaev or Lyakahovich and liked what I saw I would admit it and give him a better chance of beating Wladimir but size, strength, intelligence, experience.....it's hard to not see that Wladimir has a HUGE advantage over Haye and he should be a heavy favorite. David Haye has yet to have a meaningful heavyweight fight and if Wlad is his first then he will no doubt lose and maybe ruin his career

[El Kabong]

I don't think David Haye would withstand either of these beatings...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqIDl-_5HZY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO_sWnawpU4

The right cross is very good BUT I think Wladimir's left hook is deadly

[Kel]

Lyle, why are you so defensive when it comes to the Klits? If Haye knocks out Wlad will you give him any credit? Or will you just say it was a lucky punch that IF never landed he would have got his ears boxed off?

[El Kabong]

Lyle, why are you so defensive when it comes to the Klits? If Haye knocks out Wlad will you give him any credit? Or will you just say it was a lucky punch that IF never landed he would have got his ears boxed off?

Well Kel as not only a boxing fan but a fan of Wladimir and Vitali I would like for David Haye and Cris Arreola to be PREPARED to fight them because if they aren't #1 It's bad for boxing #2 It does NOTHING for Wladimir or Vitali's legacy's....HOWEVER if Haye and Arreola take their time and get more experience #1 We may have a CLASSIC heavyweight fight #2 Whoever wins will get full respect and #3 It's better for boxing to have guys that fans think deserve a title shot fight rather than letting the commissions decide.

Also Kel take a look at these guys who Wlad has fought and beaten: Calvin Brock, Sultan Ibragimov, and Sam Peter....Does Wladimir get much credit for beating those guys? Not really, everyone slags off on Brock for whatever reason or another...they always talk about how boring the Sultan fight was (it was boring but that is beside the point)....and Sam Peter the "Most Dangerous Man" in the division at that time fighting a Wladimir Klitschko coming off of 2 big KO losses, Wlad took him to school and all Wlad gets credit for are the knockdowns he suffered and now a couple years later Sam Peter is a joke. The thing is all those guys were undefeated and Wlad whipped all of them, had those guys been better prepared maybe Wlad doesn't win or maybe we have a better fight.


rjjtszyu, no disrespect to Lennox but his jab wasn't as good....sure it was good but I don't think that was his best punch or his best attribute as a fighter. Lennox is an all-time great but I don't think his jab is as good as Wladimir's. And I think it's pretty juvenile to say Wlad is "frightened to throw anything else"....if he truly was a scared fighter he'd have a lot more than 3 losses on his record after having so many fights. Sure Wlad used to throw everything whenever he wanted to but he fights smarter now and controls the flow of a fight and this allows Wladimir to pace himself and let the KO come to him and sometimes guys like Sultan Ibragimov aren't cooperative with this style and we don't see a good fight but for the most part when Wladimir fights he comes out with a KO win.

[rjj tszyu]

I just don't get how these Haye fans can judge a fighter's punching power based on 2 fights at heavyweight! And even then it wasn't vs quality opposition!!!!

Wladimir Klitschko has more KO's than David Haye has heavyweight rounds!! It is absolutely fucking ridiculous to assume Haye's power will carry the same OR BETTER from cruiser to heavyweight....but then again Haye fans aren't known to base their beliefs on reality.

Sure Wladimir has lost before, and sure he's gotten KO'd but at least he didn't get KO'd by a CRUISERWEIGHT who was like 75 years old at the time. Wladimir has his flaws BUT he's a smart fighter and he creates KO's by controlling the pace of a fight, he has very good defense, and he controls the distance with the BEST jab the heavyweight division has seen since Larry Holmes.

If I saw David Haye vs Dimitrenko, McCline, Sam Peter, hell even Oleg Maskaev or Lyakahovich and liked what I saw I would admit it and give him a better chance of beating Wladimir but size, strength, intelligence, experience.....it's hard to not see that Wladimir has a HUGE advantage over Haye and he should be a heavy favorite. David Haye has yet to have a meaningful heavyweight fight and if Wlad is his first then he will no doubt lose and maybe ruin his career

The best WHAT since Larry Holmes? Have you ever heard of a man called Lennox Lewis? The thing with Lewis though was that he used to set other things up with his jab whereas Klitschko just jabs because he is frightened to death of throwing anything else in case he gets clobbered and ultimately KO'd.