Quote Originally Posted by DaxxKahn View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
Do you mean Roy ducked Michalczewski? I don't think Roy ducked Calzaghe.

Now Daxx, don't get annoyed, all your points are perfectly reasonable BUT

Comparing their best wins - you have marked down Roy's win over Hopkins because he was "new to the game" ... yet you give Hopkins extra credit for being the first man to beat Johnson. This is a bit inconsistent.

McCallum was past his best. But then surely it's only fair to mention Oscar was fighting way above his natural weightclass.. this goes for Tito, Wright and Pavlik too.

Apart from that - Good point about Hopkins never being stopped or dominated. I don't agree he should rate above Roy, but there's no right or wrong with these lists just opinion - as you said.
Just opinion Mate but the fact Roy declined to fight Calzaghe was HIS words not mine....It was before the Hopkins/Calzaghe fight and Roy said he wanted winner...When asked why he mnever went to fight Calzaghe all the years he was LHW champ and Calzaghe was calling his name he stated...

"Truth,,,There was too much for me to lose at the time...I was not going to go in his country and risk my P4P title and fight in another country now its different he has what I want I don't have what he wants"

I swear on a book of bibles

As far as the other points (My point with Hopkins not being his best)....Bernard was new to the game period...Jones had a long amateur career, Olympic experience...Hopkins had only been at it a few years...The man had virtually no amateur experience...He learned the sport while in prison...Not exactly the best gym is it?

DLH, chased Hopkins,,,,Small MW yes but in truth he is actually bigger then Hagler..5'9 1/2" 75" reach...DLH is 5' 10 1/2"...Tito is 5'11" and walked around over the 160 mark and had been campaigning at MW was even a champion with 2 title defenses
i think what roy said was "I was pound for pound champ and undisputed champ, why should I have to go fight him when I was the best", which makes sense. In every sport the champ, better, or favorite gets home field advantage. The calculated move by calzaghe to all of sudden come to the states to fight both roy and Bhop after they seemingly lost their grips on their respective divisions seems too convienent and also proves that he was willing to come to the states all along, whereas neither of them have left the country since becoming champs. calzaghe sat over there and waited for them to "look" beatable then came over...