Challenge to all.........

[Bx730NY]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

[ICB]

I keep hearing all this negative stuff about Calzhage and I'm just stunned. The guy is the most complete package of our era.

Tell me where you guys guys have found a better package of Speed, Heart, Ring Smarts, Adjustments, Chin, Conditioning, Skill, Dedication and his fights are clean. No need to cheat when you're this good i guess. (Hopkins)

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

[Bx730NY]

The easiest question ever on this forum.

Muhamamd Ali
Salvador Sanchez
Ricardo Lopez
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Mike McCallum
Larry Holmes
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Pernell Whitaker
Ezzard Charles
Marvin Hagler
Roy Jones Jr
Alexis Arguello
Gene Tunney
Azumah Nelson
Miguel Canto

Should i go on ?

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

[Mr140]

Well the only thing that bothers me about Floyde is that he retired when all the competion was there for him i mean Joe never had the chances Floyde has had talent wise in the divsion but Floyde called it a day and he is in prime in a heavy talented divsion and as for Joe no longer prime and he has alot less talent to prove anything now so i guess you can look at that as well when you are rating them and there choices they make also ice moving up in weight in lower divsion is not the same when you do it in higher divsion i mean floyde move up 24 pounds joe would be moving up like 32 just to make the limit then be fighting guys over 60 pounds over the weight he started.

[jon09]

Well the only thing that bothers me about Floyde is that he retired when all the competion was there for him i mean Joe never had the chances Floyde has had talent wise in the divsion but Floyde called it a day and he is in prime in a heavy talented divsion and as for Joe no longer prime and he has alot less talent to prove anything now so i guess you can look at that as well when you are rating them and there choices they make also ice moving up in weight in lower divsion is not the same when you do it in higher divsion i mean floyde move up 24 pounds joe would be moving up like 32 just to make the limit then be fighting guys over 60 pounds over the weight he started.

So why not go to Cruiserweight and do something Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins choose not to do and fight the undisputed champ in Thomasz Adamek. Now I know alot of the european fans would love to see these 2 go at it. I think Joe could take him and put another stamp on his great career. Thoughts?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Well the only thing that bothers me about Floyde is that he retired when all the competion was there for him i mean Joe never had the chances Floyde has had talent wise in the divsion but Floyde called it a day and he is in prime in a heavy talented divsion and as for Joe no longer prime and he has alot less talent to prove anything now so i guess you can look at that as well when you are rating them and there choices they make also ice moving up in weight in lower divsion is not the same when you do it in higher divsion i mean floyde move up 24 pounds joe would be moving up like 32 just to make the limit then be fighting guys over 60 pounds over the weight he started.

So why not go to Cruiserweight and do something Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins choose not to do and fight the undisputed champ in Thomasz Adamek. Now I know alot of the european fans would love to see these 2 go at it. I think Joe could take him and put another stamp on his great career. Thoughts?

Jermain Taylor
Kelly Pavlik
Glen Johnson
Chad Dawson
Antonio Tarver (had plenty of chances to make this fight happen)
Steve Cunnigham
Tomaz Adamek

looks like plenty of names and talent he could be calling out

[Mr140]

Ment when Calzaghe was young and in prime dude not now when he is the older version and none of those names would really to much for him.

[ICB]

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

[Bx730NY]

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

[JazMerkin]

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

The 2 fights are 18 months apart meaning an extra 18 months of ring rust. In addition, the most important thing was that the PBF fight was at LMW, whilst the Pacquiao fight was at welterweight. ODLH was clearly weight-drained at 147. Also almost anyone neutral who watched the fight could not score it for Oscar, it was at best a 115-113 win for Mayweather.

[superheavyrhun]

OMG, there is quite a lot of animosity bubbling round here, so why doesn't everybody just relax, quit getting personal, and look at the facts. And firstly, my disclaimer is this:

Comparing fighters from different divisions is always going to be divisive, every division is different, some are strong, some weaker, and weight classes tend to be much easier to switch between at the lighter weights than at the heavier weights. For me, RJJ is the exception that proves the rule. Although he went up to heavyweight, he was never a real heavyweight, he was just an exceptional smaller guy who beat up a heavier guy who wasn't the best champion in his division at the time. Not that I'm disparaging his achievements, just pointing out the difference between doing it in the lighter weights and the bigger weights.

In terms of pure statistical comparison, Floyd wins it (I did one a few years ago, and although Calzaghe's wins over b-hop and RJJ will have helped, no chance of him, or almost anyone else catching Floyd, except maybe Manny, another guy traversing the lighter weights).

For me, as a Calzaghe fan, PBF's achievements are exceptional, but, as always, there are a few mitigating factors. The SMW is predominantly a non-American division, with Jeff Lacy being the best product the US could offer during a barren period in the states for SMW's. This is always going to mean that any SMW is going to struggle to get recognition in the States.
Fights against RJJ were mentioned, but RJJ was making bigger money elsewhere, so it didn't happen, and the size of profiles didn't make it happen. B-Hop is an argument that's rumbled on for five years, and won't get solved now I suspect.
I think Calzaghe's legacy will always have a few questions around because of the lack of quality opposition there, for the most part, and the weakness of the division during his reign.

[ICB]

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

[Bx730NY]

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

[JT Rock]

No1 on that list, from what I've seen is or was as complete as Joe. Bet that. Stop buying the hype.

Damn some of those names are comparable but some have me scratching my head.

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

That was against 2 fighters with obvious deterioration and well past their best, who had slowed down their punch output considerably...

Why dosent Floyd fight and beat a 43 year old Cotto and a 40 year old Pac
and everyone will kiss his azz too

[Mr140]

Jt you keep saying Hopkins but he was in way better at this stage then Oscar was you keep bringing up the age thing but Oscar was younger but not in pound for pound list Hopkins was and not only that just came off a career best preformance so i dont get why you keep bringing him up.