Challenge to all.........

[ICB]

Wanker

your out your league with me.

Ok, twat

Try debating see where you end up tosser

[Gandalf]

your out your league with me.

Ok, twat

Try debating see where you end up tosser

This is some of the silliest posting I have ever seen (and I have been involved in some seriously silly posting these last few days myself, so know very well what silly posting is all about! ). That type of carry on gets neither of you anywhere. Take a breather and move on fellas, or take it onto the other boards....

Having said that, I think Joe Calzaghe is a great boxer. I read something by AdamGB a few pages back that I really liked, though I have forgotton the exact words he used. But I can go with that.

Calzaghe's only blemish is that he was around at the wrong time. There were simply not the opponents that could have made his record somewhat more outstanding. And we've all heard the "what about Hopkins or Jones when they were younger jazz". It wasnt to be and they are as much to blame as Joe anyway. Hopkins was a MW and Jones Jr is notoriously difficult to snare.

Floyd himself might have fought more names, but its impossible to say if Floyd is actually the better fighter. It all comes down to what one feels about styles. There are no winners in these kinds of debates though.

[ICB]

Ok, twat

Try debating see where you end up tosser

This is some of the silliest posting I have ever seen (and I have been involved in some seriously silly posting these last few days myself, so know very well what silly posting is all about! ). That type of carry on gets neither of you anywhere. Take a breather and move on fellas, or take it onto the other boards....

Having said that, I think Joe Calzaghe is a great boxer. I read something by AdamGB a few pages back that I really liked, though I have forgotton the exact words he used. But I can go with that.

Calzaghe's only blemish is that he was around at the wrong time. There were simply not the opponents that could have made his record somewhat more outstanding. And we've all heard the "what about Hopkins or Jones when they were younger jazz". It wasnt to be and they are as much to blame as Joe anyway. Hopkins was a MW and Jones Jr is notoriously difficult to snare.

Floyd himself might have fought more names, but its impossible to say if Floyd is actually the better fighter. It all comes down to what one feels about styles. There are no winners in these kinds of debates though.

Nah sorry i haven't normally acted like this but im sick of people like Ross, Moono, constantly being nut hugger's winding people up on this forum on purpose. But i'll take this to the hidden board if he wants.

[ross]

Your acting like this is a real situation, like youv just asked me outside

You do realise your typing and not talking and arent facing me? You dont actually look big or clever

If Joe and Floyd were the same size and they fought, Joe would win.

Those little bursts from Oscar had Floyd rolling and hiding and not doing much else till Oscar stopped for a rest, Joe wouldnt stop for a rest, or tire down the stretch or be as easy to hit.

If your tired of me winding you up, stop encouraging me Before you cry

[Gandalf]

Your acting like this is a real situation, like youv just asked me outside

You do realise your typing and not talking and arent facing me? You dont actually look big or clever

If Joe and Floyd were the same size and they fought, Joe would win.

Those little bursts from Oscar had Floyd rolling and hiding and not doing much else till Oscar stopped for a rest, Joe wouldnt stop for a rest, or tire down the stretch or be as easy to hit.

If your tired of me winding you up, stop encouraging me Before you cry

You are a wind up merchant, you are!

I can imagine that bit in bold being true though. But its just my feeling. No way of proving it right or wrong.

[Bx730NY]

Are you kidding me ? there wasn't much debate when Floyd Mayweather Jr retired ? there was threads upon threads of it and there still is. Kostya Tszyu would of got his shot had he beat Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu and he got his shot against Floyd Mayweather Jr.

And Floyd Mayweather Jr beat the man who beat Kostya Tszyu, if Joe Calzaghe is the better fighter then why wasn't he rated P4P number 1 ? and why is Floyd Mayweather considered much higher in the all time rankings ? And if your honestly trying to tell me Joe Calzaghe is a more skilled fighter than Floyd Mayweather, then you need medical attention.

Floyd Mayweather Jr

Ricky Hatton
ODLH
Genaro Hernandez
Jose Luis Castillo x2
Diego Corrales
Zab Judah
Arturo Gatti
Emanuel Augustus
Angel Manfredy
Carlos Hernandez
Jesus Chavez
Phillip N'dou
Victoriano Sosa

World titles Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr Middleweight

Joe Calzaghe

Robin Reid
Mikkel Kessler
Roy Jones Jr
Bernard Hopkins
Charles Brewer
Chris Eubank
Byron Mitchell
Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Charles Brewer
Omar Sheika
Richie Woodhall
Mario Veit x2

World titles Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight.

I will say that Joe is better than floyd. Can you imagine them fighting in the same weight? floyd would be trying to counter all night and would be overwhelmed by the speed skill and workrate of Joe.

floyd struggled with another fast southpaw in Judah that isn't 1/10 the fighter, ring general or has half the ring IQ of Joe and Zab would have won if he wouldn't have faded so fast.

BTW, the reason he was never rated above floyd is because of his lack of american exposure. floyd got on the big stage and did nothing with it but avoid every dangerous opponent.

YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON.

OK Internet tough guy. lol

[Bx730NY]

Are you kidding me ? jesus you are a Joe Calzaghe fan boy.

Ricardo Lopez is the finest technical boxer of all time.

Alexis Arguello threw every punch so perfect.

Miguel Canto the mexican version of Willie Pep.

Floyd Mayweather Jr possibly the best all round fighter ever.

ETC.

Seriously your making me scratch my head if you don't think most of those boxers. Are as good as an all round fighter as Joe Calzaghe, your boxing knowledge is limited if you seriously think that. Or your seriously riding Joe Calzaghe nuts, theres no other way to explain such an absurd comment.

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

[JazMerkin]

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

The 2 fights are 18 months apart meaning an extra 18 months of ring rust. In addition, the most important thing was that the PBF fight was at LMW, whilst the Pacquiao fight was at welterweight. ODLH was clearly weight-drained at 147. Also almost anyone neutral who watched the fight could not score it for Oscar, it was at best a 115-113 win for Mayweather.

[superheavyrhun]

OMG, there is quite a lot of animosity bubbling round here, so why doesn't everybody just relax, quit getting personal, and look at the facts. And firstly, my disclaimer is this:

Comparing fighters from different divisions is always going to be divisive, every division is different, some are strong, some weaker, and weight classes tend to be much easier to switch between at the lighter weights than at the heavier weights. For me, RJJ is the exception that proves the rule. Although he went up to heavyweight, he was never a real heavyweight, he was just an exceptional smaller guy who beat up a heavier guy who wasn't the best champion in his division at the time. Not that I'm disparaging his achievements, just pointing out the difference between doing it in the lighter weights and the bigger weights.

In terms of pure statistical comparison, Floyd wins it (I did one a few years ago, and although Calzaghe's wins over b-hop and RJJ will have helped, no chance of him, or almost anyone else catching Floyd, except maybe Manny, another guy traversing the lighter weights).

For me, as a Calzaghe fan, PBF's achievements are exceptional, but, as always, there are a few mitigating factors. The SMW is predominantly a non-American division, with Jeff Lacy being the best product the US could offer during a barren period in the states for SMW's. This is always going to mean that any SMW is going to struggle to get recognition in the States.
Fights against RJJ were mentioned, but RJJ was making bigger money elsewhere, so it didn't happen, and the size of profiles didn't make it happen. B-Hop is an argument that's rumbled on for five years, and won't get solved now I suspect.
I think Calzaghe's legacy will always have a few questions around because of the lack of quality opposition there, for the most part, and the weakness of the division during his reign.

[ICB]

Your acting like this is a real situation, like youv just asked me outside

You do realise your typing and not talking and arent facing me? You dont actually look big or clever

If Joe and Floyd were the same size and they fought, Joe would win.

Those little bursts from Oscar had Floyd rolling and hiding and not doing much else till Oscar stopped for a rest, Joe wouldnt stop for a rest, or tire down the stretch or be as easy to hit.

If your tired of me winding you up, stop encouraging me Before you cry

Im not trying to look big or clever im just telling the truth your a muppet, you aren't winding me up in the slightest what im saying. Is that you purposely do "Try" and wind people up you only post in two threads, about Joe Calzaghe/Mike Tyson.

And all you do in those threads is seriously nut-hug those fighters. Talk biased nonsense and try and get a rise out of people, your well known for it and most people on this site share my opinion.

Secondly ODLH didn't fight Floyd Mayweather Jr at his best weightclass, i think thats plainly obvious because he couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit. And ODLH was almost 1 stone heavier on fight night, he was at his best at Super Featherweight. When he had power and was much faster, but he still beat ODLH easily by 4 rounds something your boy couldn't do against Bernard Hopkins.

Bernard Hopkins countering skills and his movement, made Joe Calzaghe look like an average fighter for the most part. Im not saying he is an average fighter but in that fight he did look like one. So what makes you think P4P that Floyd Mayweather couldn't do even better and beat Joe Calzaghe ?

Joe Calzaghe squares himself up he leaves himself wide open when he throws, those pitter-patter shots he is open to right hands amongst other things. Floyd Mayweather Jr could take advantage of please tell me what glaring weakness Floyd Mayweather Jr has ? he is the complete package Defense/Offense you name he's got it.

[ICB]

See, this is what it comes to every time. When you run out of things to say and resort to name calling like a slut. We're talking boxing. You defend floyd to the end and I respect that. I have the opinion that Joe is better so respect that.

I'm no lil punk kid so stop the crap. We go too far back for this. Joe has the type of courage that floyd could only dream of. Even when he went down against hopkins and Jones, he was the agressor. That's what separates them IMO. floyd doesn't want to be tested.

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

[Bx730NY]

Name calling ? yea im name calling because your talking out your ass. I resort to name calling when i have nothing to say ? you pretty much lost the debate when you said Joe Calzaghe is more skilled than Ricardo Lopez, honestly im sick of some of these Joe Calzaghe fans i really am.

I think Joe Calzaghe is a very good fighter and i respect him, but some Joe Calzaghe fans just piss me off. Joe Calzaghe fought a shot Roy Jones Jr lets just get that straight, his last good performance at Light Heavyweight was in 2002.

I give him credit for the Bernard Hopkins win because Bernard Hopkins, clearly has alot left at age 43. But if your going to tell me moving up to Jr Middleweight to fight ODLH isn't taking a risk, then im speechless i really am.

Floyd Mayweather pisses all over Joe Calzaghe, his defense is leagues ahead of Joe Calzaghe. He's faster P4P he has more power P4P, he is a better all round fighter and his stamina is up there with Joe Calzaghe. And P4P he's beaten better fighters than Joe Calzaghe.

I've got no problem with Joe Calzaghe or his fans, but some fans go over the top and its pissing me off lately. Maybe i am going over the top but im just sick of seeing it personally.

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

[ICB]

floyd goes up to fight oscar and wins a split decision. Manny, who started out at like 105, goes up to fight oscar and wins by TKO. Big win for floyd alright. That was some accomplishment beating an extremely shot dlh and not finishing him. Thanx for bringing that to my attention.

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

Please your the one that said "I resort to name calling when i can't say anything" i reply to your comment with a good explanation now i get this rubbish ?

Thats the way i talk lump it or like it i speak my mind like this in real life aswell, and i couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Your a biased Joe Calzaghe fan end of theres other Joe Calzaghe fans here like Miles, who atleast can see sense and talk unbiased about Joe Calzaghe.

And i can debate with him just fine but your comments are just ridiculous, you honestly insulted my intelligence by telling me Joe Calzaghe is a more well rounded fighter than legends like Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez.

And you expect me not to respond by not telling you your talking out your ass ? and lastly i think your the one making excuses now you haven't responded to any of my posts, because you cannot counter them. Just like that other biased nut-hugger Ross, he always runs off and takes the cowards way out.

[Gandalf]

What you fail to realize in your seriously deluded mind, is that Manny Pacquiao was a teenager when he was fighting at weight class. His natural weight is round about 140+ now he's fully grown man.

What weight were you as a teenager ? and what do you weigh now ? i put on a good 20+ pounds when i started weight training at 17, im now 19 and im 167 pounds at the moment, i was just over 140 pounds when i was 16 i believe i was skinny at that time. Im 6'1 now where as i was about 5'11 or something like that at 16.

Its perfectly normal for Manny Pacquiao to now be fighting at 140+ pounds, he is a fully grown man and he has reached his peak weight wise. He's gradually been putting on weight over the years.

Floyd Mayweather Jr in the Amateur's when he was Manny Pacquiao's age, was about 105 pounds i believe or something close to it. And considering Floyd Mayweather Jr like Manny Pacquiao couldn't make the Jr Middleweight limit.

Floyd Mayweather was 149 pounds and Manny Pacquiao was 148 pounds, it means there isn't that much difference size wise between the two. And secondly Floyd Mayweather Jr fought ODLH at Jr Middleweight, after ODLH come off a very good performance against Ricardo Mayorga.

ODLH was seriously weight drained against Manny Pacquiao, because he only put on a pound after he rehydrated. And thats because he hasn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, so his body couldn't handle moving down that much in weight. Please do not insult this forum's intelligence by suggesting, Manny Pacquiao fought the same version of ODLH that Floyd Mayweather Jr fought.

I think you better lay off the roids. You've become increasingly angry over the internet where it's safe to. In here you won't be able to release the rage in the physical form and the people you talk shit to can't smack the shit out of you for being loose.

Please your the one that said "I resort to name calling when i can't say anything" i reply to your comment with a good explanation now i get this rubbish ?

Thats the way i talk lump it or like it i speak my mind like this in real life aswell, and i couldn't give a shit what anyone thinks. Your a biased Joe Calzaghe fan end of theres other Joe Calzaghe fans here like Miles, who atleast can see sense and talk unbiased about Joe Calzaghe.

And i can debate with him just fine but your comments are just ridiculous, you honestly insulted my intelligence by telling me Joe Calzaghe is a more well rounded fighter than legends like Pernell Whitaker, Ricardo Lopez.

And you expect me not to respond by not telling you your talking out your ass ? and lastly i think your the one making excuses now you haven't responded to any of my posts, because you cannot counter them. Just like that other biased nut-hugger Ross, he always runs off and takes the cowards way out.

Ice, you are a very repected poster here but your attitude is a little eccentric. The first part in bold is an example of how your posting is being a bit excessive. You really should care what other people think because by listening to others you put your own views into perspective. Dismissing them just because their view is different doesnt make them wrong. Just as it doesnt make you right. Its a little blinkered.

The second highlighted part is again over the top. It is no doubt a challenge to your opinion. But that is all it is. An opinion. Just as theirs is just an opinion. Its about liking a sense of styles or of aesthetics even, but it isnt a crusade to make sure your point is the end point until the debate is over. People do not win debates in boxing....unless the fighters actually fight. We choose to agree or disagree or maybe even change our perspective a little. Usually its the former two.

Dont take this as an attack because other posters too have gone a bit mad on this thread (me included recently but on another thread ) and everyone needs to just chill out a little. And thanks for the kind words above. 90% of the time I do try to argue logically. Though I do have my slips, as we all do sometimes.

In conclusion, Joe Calzaghe is undoubtedly a living god.






























Joke...no attacks on me please!

[ross]

So now im a coward because I called you a twat and a wanker and didnt follow you outside to the, dum dum daah!!................Hidden board

Calzaghe would beat Mayweather, a fighter who just got stopped by a younger smaller man pushed Mayweather to a split decision.

Joe got pushed to a split by Hopkins trying his hardest not to fight, then Hopkins went on to piss all over the younger man Pavlik

Hopkins proved he was still very much world class and dangerous.

De La Hoya proved that he has nothing left and showed it when he didnt push Mayweather as he should have.

Joe would love Floyd rolling and leaning back on the ropes, he certainly wouldnt stand there flumoxed by his defence, hed throw his "pitty pat" punches and force Floyd to either move or fight because while hes covering, leaning and rolling, Joe is working and we know Joe can work at the highest tempo all night at 36!! If Joe and Mayweather were the same age and weight, Joe would be too much