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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Trainer Monkey,

    you are completely off your rocker son.
    You asked a simple question,does the United States have more stadiums then the rest of the world,you got your answer
    And its pretty conclusive


    I never asked that question. I never even mentioned stadiums. Venue!!! That was YOUR word - Venue!!!

    Venue could be a small club, sports hall or pub (bar)

    You donut
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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Trainer Monkey,

    you are completely off your rocker son.
    You asked a simple question,does the United States have more stadiums then the rest of the world,you got your answer
    And its pretty conclusive


    I never asked that question. I never even mentioned stadiums. Venue!!! That was YOUR word - Venue!!!

    Venue could be a small club, or sports hall, or pub (bar)

    You donut
    Considering you were talking about title fights,I was pretty sure that was a safe assumptive
    I mean it was supposed to be about P4P champions,I dont think their fighting in bars
    And if they are,there's a trainer somewhere crying

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    So they're fighting in baseball stadiums? How many of those stadiums you listed have had a fight in the past 5 years?

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey View Post
    You asked a simple question,does the United States have more stadiums then the rest of the world,you got your answer
    And its pretty conclusive


    I never asked that question. I never even mentioned stadiums. Venue!!! That was YOUR word - Venue!!!

    Venue could be a small club, or sports hall, or pub (bar)

    You donut
    Considering you were talking about title fights,I was pretty sure that was a safe assumptive
    I mean it was supposed to be about P4P champions,I dont think their fighting in bars
    And if they are,there's a trainer somewhere crying
    They're not fighting in stadiums either.

    Most big fights in America are held in Vegas.. maybe New York - MSG.. Los Angeles. Especially if involving a non-American.

    How many fights per year are held in US stadiums?
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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Fens honest to god I see what your saying but it's just insane to see it that way.

    Of course almost every boxer is gonna be connected to the states most big fights happen here where they make dollars.

    I personally don't see that as biased I see it as just the way the sport has always been and I'll tell you why.

    I still think a US based fighter is someone who lives, trains & fights here.

    Why would just fighting here make you based here.

    The US is the mecca of boxing I think that's been established for 100s of years it is seemingly impossible to be a top fighter and not fight here.

    I just feel this thread leads nowhere for me and has left me scratching my head... Cause again I understand what your getting to but it's only obvious Top rated fighters would somehow be connected to the US.

    I mean what your saying is Hatton is a US based fighter?
    Maybe based wasn't the word you were looking for.

    That's where I'm getting mixed up... To me based like I said is where you train, live & fight.

    I think it impossible not to be connected with the US, because most top rated fighters and or title holders have stepped foot here in the US from early in their careers.

    I mean take this new wave of Germans that just landed here in the US at Roachs gym? Or how about the Filipino wave that we got here in the US with Pac impact?
    You got top venues, you got dollars, you got world wide networks, promoters etc. etc. etc.

    I think I'm going in circles here but anyway Fens. I just think it's like saying "Why are the majority winners of the Best Pic. at the Oscars" most often American films then foreign films... Well I don't know you tell me?

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    Default Re: P4P bias towards American based fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by CutMeMick View Post
    Fens honest to god I see what your saying but it's just insane to see it that way.

    Of course almost every boxer is gonna be connected to the states most big fights happen here where they make dollars.

    I personally don't see that as biased I see it as just the way the sport has always been and I'll tell you why.

    I still think a US based fighter is someone who lives, trains & fights here.

    Why would just fighting here make you based here.

    The US is the mecca of boxing I think that's been established for 100s of years it is seemingly impossible to be a top fighter and not fight here.

    I just feel this thread leads nowhere for me and has left me scratching my head... Cause again I understand what your getting to but it's only obvious Top rated fighters would somehow be connected to the US.

    I mean what your saying is Hatton is a US based fighter?
    Maybe based wasn't the word you were looking for.

    That's where I'm getting mixed up... To me based like I said is where you train, live & fight.

    I think it impossible not to be connected with the US, because most top rated fighters and or title holders have stepped foot here in the US from early in their careers.

    I mean take this new wave of Germans that just landed here in the US at Roachs gym? Or how about the Filipino wave that we got here in the US with Pac impact?
    You got top venues, you got dollars, you got world wide networks, promoters etc. etc. etc.

    I think I'm going in circles here but anyway Fens. I just think it's like saying "Why are the majority winners of the Best Pic. at the Oscars" most often American films then foreign films... Well I don't know you tell me?
    Blimey.. you sure did get stuck on the word "based" Mick. In future i'll focus on making more clearly defined thread titles.

    This thread was about P4P.

    We established Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (according to Galaxy) is the only fighter without ties to America to be P4P ranked since 2000.

    America is clearly the daddy. Without ties to America, it's virtually impossible to get P4P recognition. That's all it is.
    Last edited by Fenster; 02-10-2009 at 08:39 AM.
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