gary shaw acting like a baby!

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I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.

[XaduBoxer]

Depends what u mean by bigger fish. In boxing talent Donaire is arguably a bigger fish than the mentioned Vic opponents but in terms of moneymaking, Arce and Mijares are bigger fish. As is Monteil and the big little men at 122.

I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I agree that in terms of money, Mijares and Arce fights could be bigger than a Donaire fight... But you can't totally say that Darchi is looking for bigger fish since he also fought the lesser Catubay, Gorres and Kirilov while ignoring the Donaire rematch which I consider a much bigger fight for Darchi compared to the 3 fights mentioned...

If Gary Shaw said that he don't want to reward Donaire with the "3 belts" that Darchi now wearing then Shaw is really afraid Darchi might lost again to Donaire in a rematch coz if he is confident in Darchi winning this time over Donaire then he should not have blocked a rematch fight...
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Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

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i dont think so... so why the hell still the boxing press wanted him to rematch donaire if he is a no name fighter? Dont twist it body.. Its Darchi who needs Donaire to show his greatness not the other way around. Donaire knock him big time..

Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.

Are u an idiot? Arce has the biggest fanbase of any fighter under 122 by a country mile, and Vic is probably second. All Jorges fights are big events.
Donaire struggles to get his fights telecast let alone make big money. No way Vic makes more fighting Donaire than fighting Arce.
How is fighting Monteil or one of the great fighters at 122 choosing money before a great fight? The other point is that Vic is looking to fight at 118 even 122 whilst Donaire is staying at 112, so unless Donaire moves up how is the fight gonna be made?
Yeah it'd be nice if Vic fought Nonito again but he is not ducking him and scared if he fights someone like Monteil who is bigger and arguably better than Donaire anyway. Nonito needs to stop living off that one win. Its his fault he isnt getting the big fights because he thought he could call the shots and look what happened.

[XaduBoxer]

Catubay was a comeback fight, and in terms of moneymaking Kirilov and Gorres are easily at the level of Donaire. Anyhow Gorres was an eliminator fight and Kirilov was for a title at 115.
Donaire is a greatly skilled fighter but still a relative no name.

Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.

You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.

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Don't act like Darchi by asking "Donaire who?"... As boxing fans, we all knew who knocked out Darchinyan cold... So Donaire is not really a relative no name as you suggest...

If Donaire and Darchi fight again, I pick Donaire to give a beating to Darchi similar to what happened in the 1st fight...
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I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.

You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.

More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.

[XaduBoxer]

I never said Donaire who? All im saying is that Vic has fights out there that wll make him more money and will help his legacy other than Nonito. Its not his fault Donaire has done nothing since he beat Vic yet Vic has beaten a number of ranked fighters and a top 10 P4P guy. Yeah i wanna see the fight and i think Vic beats him this time. Nonito wasn't giving Darch a beating he caught him with a good punch. It happens. I admit he got beat.

I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.

You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.

More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.

You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...

It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire...
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[the_PRODIGY]

You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...

It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire...

Owned!

Darchinyan is doing great and if I were Gary Shaw I wouldn't risk one of my only 'superstar' left to the only fighter who KTFO of him and dumped me for another promoter. Donaire obviously is the most dangerous fight for Darchinyan style wise plus the psychological thing. It would be a big fight but again, high risk for both Gary Shaw and Vic Darchinyan.

And for the record.. I think Donaire's name is big enough. He owns a KO of the year award and may have been talked about more than Mijares does.

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Im not twisting anything. What the boxing press want and what will make money is often completely different. Darchinyan even after the loss to Donaire is a much bigger name on the world stage than Nonito. He is a bigger drawcard by far.

But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.

Are u an idiot? Arce has the biggest fanbase of any fighter under 122 by a country mile, and Vic is probably second. All Jorges fights are big events.
Donaire struggles to get his fights telecast let alone make big money. No way Vic makes more fighting Donaire than fighting Arce.
How is fighting Monteil or one of the great fighters at 122 choosing money before a great fight? The other point is that Vic is looking to fight at 118 even 122 whilst Donaire is staying at 112, so unless Donaire moves up how is the fight gonna be made?
Yeah it'd be nice if Vic fought Nonito again but he is not ducking him and scared if he fights someone like Monteil who is bigger and arguably better than Donaire anyway. Nonito needs to stop living off that one win. Its his fault he isnt getting the big fights because he thought he could call the shots and look what happened.

IDIOT who? chill bro.. nobody says arce is less or no fanbase.. idiot.. im just trying to prove that donaire is not a NO NAME FIGHTER... you label him no name and making excuse for darchi in not fighting him.. thats all what im only trying to say.. Ask Gary Shaw the promoter why he doesn't want Donaire for Darchi... idiot.. everybody knows why.. Thats ducking in highest form because everybody is asking if he wants rematch and avenge his loss but you hear nothing..

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I think Vic is itching to get back on the only boxer who KO'ed him cold. The problem here is Vic's promoter that is against the rematch fight.

You can't say Nonito has done nothing. Maldonado, Mthalane and the upcoming fight against Raul "The Cobra" Martinez are all dangerous fights. We can even add that Donaire defeats Maldonado more impressively than what Darchi did to Maldonado.

More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.

You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...

It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire...
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!

U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.

Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.

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But still Donaire is a known fighter.. darchi is bigger draw and bigger name but that doesn't mean he is better than donaire. You are a boxing fan right? The boxing press and us fans want first is for a fighter to cement his legacy isnt it? Businessman fighters is not bad but choosing money before great fights is like ducking someone. How much did Darchi earn from the Arce fight? Im sure if he fights donaire now he will earn more than that. Coz its what fans want and im sure you do too.

Are u an idiot? Arce has the biggest fanbase of any fighter under 122 by a country mile, and Vic is probably second. All Jorges fights are big events.
Donaire struggles to get his fights telecast let alone make big money. No way Vic makes more fighting Donaire than fighting Arce.
How is fighting Monteil or one of the great fighters at 122 choosing money before a great fight? The other point is that Vic is looking to fight at 118 even 122 whilst Donaire is staying at 112, so unless Donaire moves up how is the fight gonna be made?
Yeah it'd be nice if Vic fought Nonito again but he is not ducking him and scared if he fights someone like Monteil who is bigger and arguably better than Donaire anyway. Nonito needs to stop living off that one win. Its his fault he isnt getting the big fights because he thought he could call the shots and look what happened.

IDIOT who? chill bro.. nobody says arce is less or no fanbase.. idiot.. im just trying to prove that donaire is not a NO NAME FIGHTER... you label him no name and making excuse for darchi in not fighting him.. thats all what im only trying to say.. Ask Gary Shaw the promoter why he doesn't want Donaire for Darchi... idiot.. everybody knows why.. Thats ducking in highest form because everybody is asking if he wants rematch and avenge his loss but you hear nothing..

So he ducks nonito yet calls out Israel Vasquez, Rafa Marquez, Fernando Monteil. Nonito is not well known to the casual fan. U said Nonito would make Vic more money than Arce. U said that, it is wrong, dead wrong.

[the_PRODIGY]

More impressively? They both won by KO in round 8! Bear in mind Maldonado was in the prime of his career when he fought Vic. He'd just come off a draw with Mijares, his best ever performance. By the time he fought Nonito Luis was damaged goods because Vic gave him a beat down.
Mthalane dangerous? The guys best win was shot beyond shot Hussy Hussein. The guy barely deserved a title shot.
And he hasnt fought Martinez yet so how can that count in what he has done sense?
Look Nonito beat Vic, we've established that but the fact is Vic has done a tonne more than Nonito since then. U cannot deny that and if u try your deluded.
I've got nothing against Donaire as a fighter, he is good. He seriously needs to stop believing his own hype and make meaningful fights. If Vic wont fight him move up and fight other top guys, chase him up to 118. Actually show some loyalty to the promoter that gave him his shot. U may say Shaw is acting like a baby but fact is if it wasnt for Gary Nonito wouldnt have got the Vic fight and may still be wasting his time fighting bums in the phillipines.

You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...

It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire...
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!

U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.

Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.

Im not sure..but I think he did signed for a Montiel fight. Don't know what happened but I heard Montiel dropped the belt and is fighting Morel next. You said Martinez aint bum. And you should drop this venue argument because I'm sure Saddoboxer would own your a*ss in this one. Top Rank said Donaire's next fight is a 'homecoming fight' and I just checked BoxRec it's true he has only fought twice outside the US. It even says his hometown is California. and Im pretty sure that boxing is very big in the Phillipines and that his next fight would do more money wise. Remember he's promoted by Top Rank now. when he fought Darchinyan in Connecticut there were like 300 people in the casino. Yes a casino. Against Vic Darchinyan.

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You don't know what you're talking about... Nonito Donaire moved to the USA when he was still 8 years old... He's a US amateur boxer and almost represented USA in the Olympics... His 1st pro fight was held in the USA... I think he only fought 2 times in the Philippines out of his total 21 fights... All of his fights were in the USA... I think Donaire fought more fights in the USA than Darchinyan...

It's clear you don't know very much about Nonito Donaire...
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Nonito has never fought bums in the phillipines? Of course he has. Where is his major fanbase? The USA? No its the Phillipines! So if he'd never got his big break with Shaw where would he be most likely be fighting? Exactly where his next fight is. The PHILLIPINES!!!

U proved nothing their. You think i know little about fighters yet u clearly know nothing about any fighters but Pac and other Philipinos. Bet u felt good cos your cluless Flip mates patted u on the back.

Point is my whole argument is that Vic is higher uo the boxing ladder now and Nonito has done Jack since the Vic fight. That is true.

Im not sure..but I think he did signed for a Montiel fight. Don't know what happened but I heard Montiel dropped the belt and is fighting Morel next. You said Martinez aint bum. And you should drop this venue argument because I'm sure Saddoboxer would own your a*ss in this one. Top Rank said Donaire's next fight is a 'homecoming fight' and I just checked BoxRec it's true he has only fought twice outside the US. It even says his hometown is California. and Im pretty sure that boxing is very big in the Phillipines and that his next fight would do more money wise. Remember he's promoted by Top Rank now. when he fought Darchinyan in Connecticut there were like 300 people in the casino. Yes a casino. Against Vic Darchinyan.

Saddoboxer isnt owning anyone. The arguments he comes out with are blatant fanboy cfrap tne majority of the time.
My points are all correct. I'll write them down for u.
1. Donaire beat Vic fair and square but since that fight Vic has done a lot more than Nonito.
2. Nonito Donaire is not well known to the casual boxing fan and not a big draw. Particularly comapred to the likes of Arce and the top guys at 122.
3. Shaw gave Donaire his big break, which he took, yet after that fight Donaire thought his star was brighter than it was and his over the top demands have meant he hasnt got the big fights since.
4. It is unreasonable to say Vic is scared and ducking Donaire if he is fighting other top guys, and looking to fight the likes of Monteil, Vasquez and Marquez. Especially considering there may now be a 2 division gap between Nonito and Vic, 112-118.
5. I repeat i think Nonito is a great talent and beat Vic fair and square, and would have a good chance of doing so again. Im not a Vic fanboy, or a donaire hater i just see it as it is. I also think Nonito's out of ring behaviour needs improving or otherwise he may be a wasted talent. If he doesnt get and win the big fights soon his only big win may be forgotten.


I think that is a fair assessment.

[:::PSL:::]

Vic Darchinyan will always be known as "Donaire's B1tch" if the rematch doesn't happen.

<-- Darchinyan

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