Challenge to all.........

[Fenster]

1980

KO Magazine (January)
1 - Roberto Duran
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Wilfredo Gomez
4 - Danny Lopez
5 - Pipino Cuevas
6 - Alexis Arguello
7 - Larry Holmes
8 - Wilfred Benitez
9 - Vito Antuofermo/Matt Saad Muhammad (tie)


1981

KO Magazine (January)
1 - Thomas Hearns
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Marvin Hagler
4 - Larry Holmes
5 - Alexis Arguello
6 - Wilfredo Gomez
7 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
8 - Matt Saad Muhammmad
9 - Wilfred Benitez
10 - Roberto Duran/Aaron Pryor (tie)

1982

KO Magazine
1. Sugar Ray Leonard
2. Alexis Arguello
3. Marvin Hagler
4. Salvador Sanchez
5. Wilfred Benitez
6. Larry Holmes
7. Jeff Chandler
8. Eusebio Pedroza
9. Aaron Pryor
10. Thomas Hearns/Dwight Braxton* (tie)

*Dwight Muhammad Qawi

1983

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Larry Holmes
4. Michael Spinks
5. Jeff Chandler
6. Thomas Hearns
7. Alexis Arguello
8. Wilfredo Gomez
9. Hector Camacho
10. Eusebio Pedroza

1984

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Aaron Pryor
3. Larry Holmes
4. Eusebio Pedroza
5. Hector Camacho
6. Ray Leonard
6. Jeff Chandler
8. Michael Spinks
9. Thomas Hearns
10. Donald Curry

1985

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Hector Camacho
3. Michael Spinks
4. Donald Curry
5. Thomas Hearns
6. Barry McGuigan
7. Milton McCrory
8. Julio Cesar Chavez
8. Pinklon Thomas
10. Larry Holmes

1986

KO Magazine
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Mike Tyson
3. Donald Curry
4. Thomas Hearns
5. Edwin Rosario
6. Azumah Nelson
6. Michael Spinks
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Julio Cesar Chavez
10. Hector Camacho

1988

KO Magazine
1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Ray Leonard
5. Jeff Fenech
6. Michael Nunn
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Jung Koo Chang
9. Buddy McGirt
10. Sumbu Kalambay

1989

1. Mike Tyson
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Michael Nunn
5. Antonio Esparragoza
6. Meldrick Taylor
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Raul Perez
9. Virgil Hill
10. Marlon Starling

1990

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Michael Nunn
4. Antonio Esparragoza
5. Meldrick Taylor
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Mike Tyson
8. Raul Perez
9. Myung-Woo Yuh
10. Khaosai Galaxy

1992

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2. Pernell Whitaker
3. Terry Norris
4. Orlando Canizales
5. James (Buddy) McGirt
6. Riddick Bowe
7. Azumah Nelson
8. Sung-Kil Moon
9. Julian Jackson
10. James Toney

1993

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Julio Cesar Chavez
3. James Toney
4. Michael Carbajal
5. Orlando Canizales
6. Evander Holyfield
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Roy Jones Jr.
9. Kennedy McKinney
10. Yuri Arbachakov

1994

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Orlando Canizales
4. Ricardo Lopez
5. Humberto Gonzalez
6. Frankie Randall
7. Felix Trinidad
8. Gerald McClellan
9. Miguel Angel Gonzalez
10. Kevin Kelley

1995

1. Pernell Whitaker
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Ricardo Lopez
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Felix Trinidad
6. Yuri Arbachakov
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Riddick Bowe
9. Marco Antonio Barrera
10. Terry Norris

1996

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Oscar De La Hoya
3. Pernell Whitaker
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Ricardo Lopez
6. Junior Jones
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Terry Norris
9. Evander Holyfield
10. Mark Johnson

1997

KO Magazine
1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Felix Trinidad
4. Pernell Whitaker
5. Evander Holyfield
6. Terry Norris
7. Junior Jones
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Ike Quartey
10. Mark Johnson

1998

1. Oscar De La Hoya
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Evander Holyfield
4. Felix Trinidad
5. Mark Johnson
6. Shane Mosley
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Naseem Hamed
10. Johnny Tapia

1999

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Felix Trinidad
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Shane Mosley
6. Mark Johnson
7. Ricardo Lopez
8. Erik Morales
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Stevie Johnston

2000

1. Shane Mosley
2. Felix Trinidad
3. Roy Jones Jr.
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Diego Corrales
6. Naseem Hamed
7. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Erik Morales
10. Bernard Hopkins

2001

1. Shane Mosley
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Roy Jones Jr.
4. Marco Antonio Barrera
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
6. Felix Trinidad
7. Oscar De La Hoya
8. Ricardo Lopez
9. Kostya Tszyu
10. Erik Morales

2002

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Roy Jones Jr.
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Vernon Forrest
5. Oscar De La Hoya
6. Kostya Tszyu
7. Erik Morales
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Lennox Lewis
10. Shane Mosley

2003

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Shane Mosley
4. Oscar De La Hoya
5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
6. Manny Pacquiao
7. Kostya Tszyu
8. Erik Morales
9. James Toney
10. Antonio Tarver

2004

1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Kostya Tszyu
4. Ronald (Winky) Wright
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Marco Antonio Barrera
8. Erik Morales
9. Glen Johnson
10. Antonio Tarver

2005

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Ronald (Winky) Wright
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Erik Morales
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Jose Luis Castillo
10. Zab Judah

2006

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Ronald (Winky) Wright
4. Jermain Taylor
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Marco Antonio Barrera
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Ricky Hatton
9. Jose Luis Castillo
10. Joe Calzaghe

2007

Doug Fischer - Maxboxing.com
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Israel Vazquez/Rafael Marquez
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Winky Wright

2008

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Antonio Margarito
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Ivan Calderon
10. Ricky Hatton
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Yea he got knock off for a yea guess your right but he was a top guy when joe beat him you were making sound like he was shot.

What are these rankings? Are the ones not labeled The Ring list?

[Julius Rain]

When did hey get knocked off saw him in ever single list when i was looking at the years enless they were wrong i take another look.

the list you privided proved you wrong, you said a decade right? well he didn't make that list til 1999.

and look at

2005

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Ronald (Winky) Wright
3. Marco Antonio Barrera
4. Ricky Hatton
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Erik Morales
7. Juan Manuel Marquez
8. Rafael Marquez
9. Jose Luis Castillo
10. Zab Judah

I dont see him do you?

Infact you will always see one of atleast 4 of pacs previous oppenent in that list for the past 13 years! since 1995.

[Mr140]

Hey rain i said i was wrong when i poseted it did not see me typing it i dont see the point in you reapeating it after i just said i was wrong i said i check the list again and i did and i missed so whats your point of saying it again you want rub it in after i said i was off with the list i read.

[eagle]

Which defining fight did Floyd have to prove how good he was?

Calzaghe was thought to have been fading and too old after his faultless performance against Lacy to be a threat against the big strong powerfull Kessler, yet he proved how good he is by figuring him out, eating up his best shots, he really proved his worth especially at his age and how long hed been at the top.

Floyd doesnt have that icing on the cake

Been there done that with Coralles, Castillo, Hatton

Non were seen as serious threats to Floyd, for various reasons, Corrales for the weight, Castillo for not having anyting special and also not being undefeated (undefeated means nothing skill wise but he wasnt a unified rising young star like Kessler) and Hattonw as moving up a weight and most felt that hed lose anyway.

Whereas Joe had to prove himself all over again and what I meant by people thinking he was on the slide is that the Lacy fight was probably his last good performance and that Lacy was overrated anyway, whereas Kessler had fought and beaten more world class operators and title holders and done it very well.

Emanuel Steward was gushing over Joe during his commentating of the Kessler bout, would he ever call Floyd a "fighting machine"? Or comemnt on how he "adjusts brilliantly" or even that the two combabtants are probably both 2 of the best boxers around today??

I cannot believe the bias crap that u write sometimes.
Corrales not a threat? He was 33-0 a P4P ranked fighter and had beaten:
Angel Manfredy
Derrik Gainer
John Brown
Gary St. Clair
and the weight issue? Thats no worse than the rumours Kessler had a broken hand for the Joe fight.

Castillo no threat? A guy on his 5th defense of the WBC title is no threat? A guy that n his career beat:
Stevie Johnson
Diego Corrales
Joel Casamayor
Juan Lazcano
Jorge Paez
is no threat?

Hatton no threat cos most thought he'd lose?? Could that be because Floyd is such a good fighter? Hatton no threat cos he had to move up May i remind u that Floyd started his career 10 pound lighter than Ricky and that at the time of their fight Ricky weighed the same? Hatton no threat even tho he'd recently Ko'd Castillo in 3 and had beaten an all time great in Kostya by TKO?

Joe is better cos Steward gushed over him? Steward also said Andy Lee would beat Pavlik this year! If u wanna talk about experts look at the fact that whilst Floyd was fighting the vast majority of experts, fans and fighters had him P4P #1. Tell u anything?

[ross]

Joe is better cos Steward gushed over him? Steward also said Andy Lee would beat Pavlik this year!

Lee is Stewards own fighter, he has to say that, whereas he has no vested interest in Joe, he was just awestruck at the talent on display in front of him.

To be called a fighting machine by a man who has trained Hearns, Moorer, Holyfield, Oscar and every other named fighter that has tried getting Manny to rescue their career is high praise.

When you look at Floyds career, itr is littered with names but only Two where faced while undefeated, One was draining himself to get down a weight and the other was light at the higher weight

Both Joes undefeated opponents were rising stars, big names, highly touted and favoured to beat Joe, they were established in that weight and strong in it and both were soundly beaten while Joe was well in to his mid Thirties, Hopkins has done very well beating Pavlik but even Pavlik wasnt in his own weight, still a good result that proves what Joe did to him, even now merits a lot of praise and dont forget it would have been a fresher, harder hitting Calzaghe that Bernard would have faced 5 hyears ago, had he not chickened out of that match

[eagle]

Joe is better cos Steward gushed over him? Steward also said Andy Lee would beat Pavlik this year!

Lee is Stewards own fighter, he has to say that, whereas he has no vested interest in Joe, he was just awestruck at the talent on display in front of him.

To be called a fighting machine by a man who has trained Hearns, Moorer, Holyfield, Oscar and every other named fighter that has tried getting Manny to rescue their career is high praise.

When you look at Floyds career, itr is littered with names but only Two where faced while undefeated, One was draining himself to get down a weight and the other was light at the higher weight

Both Joes undefeated opponents were rising stars, big names, highly touted and favoured to beat Joe, they were established in that weight and strong in it and both were soundly beaten while Joe was well in to his mid Thirties, Hopkins has done very well beating Pavlik but even Pavlik wasnt in his own weight, still a good result that proves what Joe did to him, even now merits a lot of praise and dont forget it would have been a fresher, harder hitting Calzaghe that Bernard would have faced 5 hyears ago, had he not chickened out of that match

Corrales was 33-0 and P4P top 10 for fuck sake! Hatton was 43-0 and naturally heavier than Floyd!!!
Ask anyone who knows about boxing, who are the better names on a resume? Corrales and Hatton or Lacy and Kessler?

Lacy and Kessler have done nothing since their Joe fight. Could it be they arent that good?

[ross]

I dont think so, Lacy was absolutely battered by Joe and finnished as a top flight operator there and then, Kessler has done nothing to prove he isnt going to carry on where he left off before Joe beat him, give Kessler time and he will prove what worth that win was for Joe, just like Hopkins did

Hatton has a liitle bit but I think hed struggle with the truly good boxers, whereas I see Kessler beating all at super middle and possibly light heavy, Dawson and Hopkins have turned down a match against Kessler

[eagle]

I dont think so, Lacy was absolutely battered by Joe and finnished as a top flight operator there and then, Kessler has done nothing to prove he isnt going to carry on where he left off before Joe beat him, give Kessler time and he will prove what worth that win was for Joe, just like Hopkins did

Hatton has a liitle bit but I think hed struggle with the truly good boxers, whereas I see Kessler beating all at super middle and possibly light heavy, Dawson and Hopkins have turned down a match against Kessler

If Lacy was good he'd have comeback ok. Im over arguing with u your just a fanboy.

[ross]

Good for you

[Gandalf]

I dont think so, Lacy was absolutely battered by Joe and finnished as a top flight operator there and then, Kessler has done nothing to prove he isnt going to carry on where he left off before Joe beat him, give Kessler time and he will prove what worth that win was for Joe, just like Hopkins did

Hatton has a liitle bit but I think hed struggle with the truly good boxers, whereas I see Kessler beating all at super middle and possibly light heavy, Dawson and Hopkins have turned down a match against Kessler

If Lacy was good he'd have comeback ok. Im over arguing with u your just a fanboy.

Lacy hasnt comeback at all well because of a combination of having the stuffing kicked out of him by Calzaghe, but probably more so, because of the shoulder injury. He's effectively a one armed fighter these days.

[eagle]

I dont think so, Lacy was absolutely battered by Joe and finnished as a top flight operator there and then, Kessler has done nothing to prove he isnt going to carry on where he left off before Joe beat him, give Kessler time and he will prove what worth that win was for Joe, just like Hopkins did

Hatton has a liitle bit but I think hed struggle with the truly good boxers, whereas I see Kessler beating all at super middle and possibly light heavy, Dawson and Hopkins have turned down a match against Kessler

If Lacy was good he'd have comeback ok. Im over arguing with u your just a fanboy.

Lacy hasnt comeback at all well because of a combination of having the stuffing kicked out of him by Calzaghe, but probably more so, because of the shoulder injury. He's effectively a one armed fighter these days.

The main point i was trying to make is that undefeated Corrales and Hatton are better wins than undefeated Lacy and Kessler. Also Floyd won both his fights by KO. He beat Corrales as easily as Joe beat Lacy, and he beat Hatton easier than Joe beat Kessler.
Joe is a great fighter but Floyd has the better resume and i believe would beat Joe if they were the same size. As a Calzaghe fan u may think different but i think i make some valid points.

[ross]

i think i make some valid points.

[Rocky Balboa]

Wow, I respect Calzaghe but his fans make me not take him seriously. Kessler, a prehistoric-looking Jones, washed-up Lacy, 43-year old Hopkins that I think nearly if not beat Joe. I respect Joe but please don't compare him to Mayweather. Enough has been said by ICB and others.

[Drago]

Wow, I respect Calzaghe but his fans make me not take him seriously. Kessler, a prehistoric-looking Jones, washed-up Lacy, 43-year old Hopkins that I think nearly if not beat Joe. I respect Joe but please don't compare him to Mayweather. Enough has been said by ICB and others.

you dont take a fighter seriously beacuse of his fans?

hopkins himself knew he couldnt beat joe thats why he was cheating, fallin on the floor being silly.that was disgracefull behavour!

[JazMerkin]

Wow, I respect Calzaghe but his fans make me not take him seriously. Kessler, a prehistoric-looking Jones, washed-up Lacy, 43-year old Hopkins that I think nearly if not beat Joe. I respect Joe but please don't compare him to Mayweather. Enough has been said by ICB and others.

you dont take a fighter seriously beacuse of his fans?

hopkins himself knew he couldnt beat joe thats why he was cheating, fallin on the floor being silly.that was disgracefull behavour!

Only problem is your talking as a Calzaghe fan. A lot of neutrals & even people who were backing Joe like me felt that Hopkins won that night. Also I think Rocky Balboa (it feels too weird writin that) was referring to the fact that certain Calzaghe fans on here are making Joe's record a lot better than what it has been, for God's sake I've seen people on this thread (& in arse-licking articles) claim he's greater than Sugar Ray Robinson, which IMO should be a suspension offence on Saddo