Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Bilbo View Post
Quote Originally Posted by brucelee View Post
My analysis of your game with Bilbo:
White: Bilbo
Black: CGM

1.e4 e5
2.Nf3 Nc6
3.Bc4 Bc5
4.d3 d6
5.Nc3 Nf6
6.Bg5 h6
7.Bxf6 gxf6
8.Nd5 Be6
9.Qd2 h5

Same move I’ve made eh. Black’s playing it very well. Would you agree now Bilbo that the opening of black is strong?

10.b4 Bb6

B4!? White is losing control of the center game.
11.a4 Nd4

A4 and b4 is too aggressive. This will suffer in the end-game with white controlling the center.
12.Nxd4 Bxd4
13.c3 c6
14.cxd4 cxd5
15 exd5

I’m excited how black would castle or would it castle?. White could not castle anymore queenside. B4 is bad move. Castling king side is way too dangerous with the g flank opened for the black rook.

Black's pawn at h5 is way too dangerous with black's bishop lurking.
No I do not agree, seriously I'm baffled how you and CGM can evaluate this current position as good for black, white has a virtually winning game already. 7.gxf6 is NOT the best move, Qxf6 is, Nd5 does nothing at all if black knows the proper defense, its an extremely common chess line known to give white no advantage against a proper defense, hence why you never see this opening played in grandmaster chess, but only at a junior level.

You object to me calling this a schoolboy opening but as I keep saying that is what it is! It's like the Fried Liver Attack, another schoolboy opening. They are both extrememly well known opening ideas played extensively in junior chess.

Again black did not play this position well, and was not even close to A level standard let alone GM level. It played a poor game and would have been fairly easy to defeat for any player over the 1400 level.
I never said Black's position was good Bilbo, I was just challenging some of your assertions about certain moves and positions, such as ...

Nd5 does nothing at all if black knows the proper defense, its an extremely common chess line known to give white no advantage against a proper defense

How can 9.Nd5 be extremly common when the position after 8...Be6 rarely occurs? 7...gxf6 changes the essential nature of the position, and traditional assessments of the move Nd5 for white no longer apply.
I'm not talking about Nd5 after gxf6 I'm talking about the mainline after 7.Qxf6. Bruce was saying Qxf6 is the wrong move because white can follow up with 8.Nd5. I was just saying it's long been known to be inoffensive if black knows the main line.