JMM v. Mayweather Talks underway

[ElTerribleMorales]

This is just a publicity thing from GBP to put JMM in the mix. Why do you think PBF will fight JMM? What does JMM brings to the table for Floyd Jr.? The lightweight belts? Naahhh... PBF won't even fight JMM at 140... Remember PBF didn't even give that chance to Hatton... PBF fought Hatton at 147 where he has all the advantages... PBF is the man at that time so he has the final say...

GBP is just throwing a weak counter to Top Rank's planned PAC vs. Cotto fight if PAC demolish Hatton on May 2...
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All Marquez wants is the biggest fights. He wanted to fight Pac again. But Pac ran to face the D level David Diaz. Why you trying to bad mouth somebody for looking for the biggest fights?

Did I bad mouth JMM?? Props to JMM for chasing the big fights but I'm just presenting the fact that JMM has nothing to offer for the big boys like PBF... JMM doesn't have the huge fanbase of a Hatton or a Pacquiao... JMM is too small to compete at 147... All JMM has is his excellent technical boxing skills but PBF has plenty of that so JMM can't really claim a competitive fight specially at 147...

was strong enough to take Pacquiao's shots, then come back to beat his ass around and then get robbed in the rematch, and hell if people were willing to see Pacquiao Vs Diaz on PPV i'm sure they'll be willing to pay to see Marquez Vs Mayweather at 140 on PPV

[blegit]

I admire Marquez's heart. He has shown the most out of all the little guys. But Marquez/Mayweather jr would be a mismatch. Maybe not a knockout but something like a sparring match. If you don't have power advantage over Mayweather you don't really have a chance. The chance of luck is not worth dishing out 50 to 60 bucks for. The only fights that make sense for Mayweather would be Cotto or Mosley. But to be fair a nice tuneup would be good for him. He does have to rid the rust and test the health of his hands.

[ClubberLang]

I just don't think at the end of the day that Marquez will bring enough money to the table to interest Mayweather. It's be an interesting fight, though Marquez is going to be pushing it weight wise. The fight could also become a snoozer with both guys looking for countering opportunities.

[killersheep]

ANYWAY

Since this isn't a Pacquiao thread.

Is it just me or does Dan Rafael "report" team Mayweather is in talks with everyone that wins a major fight between 135 and 147?

[Taeth]

ANYWAY

Since this isn't a Pacquiao thread.

Is it just me or does Dan Rafael "report" team Mayweather is in talks with everyone that wins a major fight between 135 and 147?

I think its because they think they are in talks with Mayweather. And it would make sense, there are so many guys right now that could further promote Mayweather's career that he must be interested with Cotto, Pacquiao, Hatton II, Mosley, Marquez, and if he wins a big fight Andre Berto.

[killersheep]

ANYWAY

Since this isn't a Pacquiao thread.

Is it just me or does Dan Rafael "report" team Mayweather is in talks with everyone that wins a major fight between 135 and 147?

I think its because they think they are in talks with Mayweather. And it would make sense, there are so many guys right now that could further promote Mayweather's career that he must be interested with Cotto, Pacquiao, Hatton II, Mosley, Marquez, and if he wins a big fight Andre Berto.

By "They" do you mean Dan Rafael?

[GAME]

I just don't think at the end of the day that Marquez will bring enough money to the table to interest Mayweather. It's be an interesting fight, though Marquez is going to be pushing it weight wise. The fight could also become a snoozer with both guys looking for countering opportunities.

I hope your right and it doesnt happen . Theres so many more better fights to be made

Marquez is out of his depth and would be shooled by the better man . Even if Floyd is proper ring rusty he still has it easy with Marquez. Juan didnt look good againt Nate campbells leftovers up until the stoppage. I dont think he was leading vs a washed up Casamayor either .

[JT Rock]

Lets clarify something...

Jmm/Pac #1 was a draw

Jmm/Pac#2 Pac scrapes by for a win

Pac beat him once not twice

Also taeth your so full of crap sometimes, you absolutely jump on any athletically gifted fighters lap and denigrate any fighter thats not..

Classic example, you say Pac is better than JMM.. HMMM weird that in 2 fight with Pac, marquez won more rounds oficially and can be argued strongly that Jmm could have got the nod or ideally and deservedly another draw.

Stop trying to argue D Diaz absolute shit credentials, he was an extremely weak title holder, no one gives a crap that he beat Zab to get into the olympics.... Geezus Chrise man, Mike Tyson didnt make the olympic team

Delahoya at 147 was an absolute zombie, freeze dried shell of the fighter he once was didnt even hydrate to the 160 that he did when he was 10 years younger.

Jmm has done more and looked even more impressive over elite competition, were as Pac fought a once elite Delahoya that was inactive and shot and a weak title holder... Those my friend are undisputable facts

[Taeth]

Lets clarify something...

Jmm/Pac #1 was a draw

Jmm/Pac#2 Pac scrapes by for a win

Pac beat him once not twice

Also taeth your so full of crap sometimes, you absolutely jump on any athletically gifted fighters lap and denigrate any fighter thats not..

Classic example, you say Pac is better than JMM.. HMMM weird that in 2 fight with Pac, marquez won more rounds oficially and can be argued strongly that Jmm could have got the nod or ideally and deservedly another draw.

Stop trying to argue D Diaz absolute shit credentials, he was an extremely weak title holder, no one gives a crap that he beat Zab to get into the olympics.... Geezus Chrise man, Mike Tyson didnt make the olympic team

Delahoya at 147 was an absolute zombie, freeze dried shell of the fighter he once was didnt even hydrate to the 160 that he did when he was 10 years younger.

Jmm has done more and looked even more impressive over elite competition, were as Pac fought a once elite Delahoya that was inactive and shot and a weak title holder... Those my friend are undisputable facts

Was Dela Hoya 10 years younger when he KO'ed Mayorga 10x faster and more impressively than Mosley? Was he 10 years younger when he fought competitive fights with Hopkins and Mayweather?

How has JMM done more at the elite level? You are the one talking crap. JMM doesn't even have half the elite level fights that Pacquiao has had. Pacquiao has foughten four ATG's and has come out of nine confrontation 8-1-1(4ko's). You say Oscar is shot yet fail to recognize that Joel Casamayor has been shot for a few years. Oscar had the best sparring partners imaginable to get ready for Pacman, the best trainers, everything. Don't use inactivity as an excuse. Pacquiao looked better both times against Barrera if you want to compare a common opponent. I am not denigrating JMM, I am stating the obvious that he isn't as good as Pacquiao. That's why he isn't p4p#1, thats why he struggled with a decent but not great Juan Diaz.

Once again Bowe won 2 out of 3 fights against Holyfield, he wasn't the greater fighter, Saddler won 3 out of 4 fights with Pep, he wasn't the greater fighter. Buster Douglas beat Tyson, he wasn't the greater fighter, styles make fights, and Marquez employs the perfect strategy against Pacquiao.

I was just making a point with David Diaz in that he isn't the worst fighter ever, he is a decent fighter. He wasn't hte best that the lightweight division had to offer. As for Oscar De La Hoya, he would have beaten Marquez even on that night, a guy who is easy to hit, who isn't unorthodox, who is that much shorter, and more importantly Oscar's jab and left hook would be lined up. If people watched Oscar against PAcquiao then against Mayweather, you will see that its movement that killed him, he wasn't able to get off punches because Manny wasn't there, he employed brilliant footwork.

Also in this case I think Mayweather, Berto, Roy Jones Jr are all better athletes than Pacquiao, and I like first and the latter more than Pacquiao, but I still recognize that he has accomplished more with his career, because he has more heart, he wants to fight best, and he succeeds when he does.

Once again its bullshit to say PAcquiao has only foughten a once elite De La Hoya, he also faced Barrera twice, Morales 3 times, MArquez twice, not to mention other very highly ranked individuals.

Either you know nothing about boxing or you know nothing east Pacquiao's career if this is the refuse you spew forth.

[JT Rock]

Lets clarify something...

Jmm/Pac #1 was a draw

Jmm/Pac#2 Pac scrapes by for a win

Pac beat him once not twice

Also taeth your so full of crap sometimes, you absolutely jump on any athletically gifted fighters lap and denigrate any fighter thats not..

Classic example, you say Pac is better than JMM.. HMMM weird that in 2 fight with Pac, marquez won more rounds oficially and can be argued strongly that Jmm could have got the nod or ideally and deservedly another draw.

Stop trying to argue D Diaz absolute shit credentials, he was an extremely weak title holder, no one gives a crap that he beat Zab to get into the olympics.... Geezus Chrise man, Mike Tyson didnt make the olympic team

Delahoya at 147 was an absolute zombie, freeze dried shell of the fighter he once was didnt even hydrate to the 160 that he did when he was 10 years younger.

Jmm has done more and looked even more impressive over elite competition, were as Pac fought a once elite Delahoya that was inactive and shot and a weak title holder... Those my friend are undisputable facts

Was Dela Hoya 10 years younger when he KO'ed Mayorga 10x faster and more impressively than Mosley? Was he 10 years younger when he fought competitive fights with Hopkins and Mayweather?

How has JMM done more at the elite level? You are the one talking crap. JMM doesn't even have half the elite level fights that Pacquiao has had. Pacquiao has foughten four ATG's and has come out of nine confrontation 8-1-1(4ko's). You say Oscar is shot yet fail to recognize that Joel Casamayor has been shot for a few years. Oscar had the best sparring partners imaginable to get ready for Pacman, the best trainers, everything. Don't use inactivity as an excuse. Pacquiao looked better both times against Barrera if you want to compare a common opponent. I am not denigrating JMM, I am stating the obvious that he isn't as good as Pacquiao. That's why he isn't p4p#1, thats why he struggled with a decent but not great Juan Diaz.

Once again Bowe won 2 out of 3 fights against Holyfield, he wasn't the greater fighter, Saddler won 3 out of 4 fights with Pep, he wasn't the greater fighter. Buster Douglas beat Tyson, he wasn't the greater fighter, styles make fights, and Marquez employs the perfect strategy against Pacquiao.

I was just making a point with David Diaz in that he isn't the worst fighter ever, he is a decent fighter. He wasn't hte best that the lightweight division had to offer. As for Oscar De La Hoya, he would have beaten Marquez even on that night, a guy who is easy to hit, who isn't unorthodox, who is that much shorter, and more importantly Oscar's jab and left hook would be lined up. If people watched Oscar against PAcquiao then against Mayweather, you will see that its movement that killed him, he wasn't able to get off punches because Manny wasn't there, he employed brilliant footwork.

Also in this case I think Mayweather, Berto, Roy Jones Jr are all better athletes than Pacquiao, and I like first and the latter more than Pacquiao, but I still recognize that he has accomplished more with his career, because he has more heart, he wants to fight best, and he succeeds when he does.

Once again its bullshit to say PAcquiao has only foughten a once elite De La Hoya, he also faced Barrera twice, Morales 3 times, MArquez twice, not to mention other very highly ranked individuals.

Either you know nothing about boxing or you know nothing east Pacquiao's career if this is the refuse you spew forth.

Many writers including Dan Rafael rank JMM achievments highr than both Barrera and Morales..

Delahoya hasnt fought 147 for almost a decade

You have ignored the fact that JMM has won more rounds against Pac in 2 combined fights.

Casamayor was the recognized Ring Champion at 135 and had been fighting at that weight all along.... Not an inactive fighter, competing at a weight he hadnt fought in 10 years... Were was Oscar ranked at the time of the fight? Certainly not ranked as high as Casa.

You are the one with questionable knowledge

[Taeth]

Oscar made 150, and looked fine against Forbes, stop using 3 pounds as an excuse. People thought the Forbes fight even indicated he could do well against Mayweather.

Even with his current victories I don't see how Marquez would possibly have a better resume than Barrera or Morales. They both fought a lot more top end guys then Marquez who was always in their shadow.

I am not saying Marquez isn't one of the mexican greats, I think he will surpass Barrera and Morales before his career is over, which is an amazing feat considering he never got the recognition he deserved. I love watching him fight, but that doesn't change the fact Pacquiao is a little better than him, I don't know why that bothers you guys so much. Pacquiao is more dominant, he's more exciting, and he's beaten Marquez among others.

Marquez one more rounds in the first fight against Pacquiao when Manny was a totally different fighter, in the second fight besides Gerry Roth's ridiculous scoring he didn't win more rounds.

All in all it doesn't change the fact Marquez wouldn't have been able to beat Oscar the same way, he wouldn't be the nearly 50/50 split against Mayweather, nor would he favorite like Pacquiao would be against guys like Miguel Cotto. The reason is because Pacquiao is a dynamic fighter, I am not talking about his athleticism, I am talking about his style, nobody else fights like him, which makes it a unique experience facing him.

Once again, I find it funny that you guys can criticize other people for saying how great Pacquiao is, which is plainly the truth, but when Marquez is mentioned you guys think he is the greatest mexican fighter ever, or that he should be p4p #1, when he isn't. He's a great fighter, but he isn't as good as Bernard Hopkins, and he definitely isn't as good as Pacquiao, he is in their league, but on a slightly dimmer celestial plane.

[XaduBoxer]

Delahoya hasnt fought 147 for almost a decade

JMM has won more rounds against Pac in 2 combined fights.

Pacquiao hasn't fought 147 in his entire life...

PAC has knocked down JMM more as against all of JMM's other opponents combined...

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[Majesty]

You have ignored the fact that JMM has won more rounds against Pac in 2 combined fights.

I really like your points except this one somewhat.

If winning more rounds is the only thing that makes a fighter better then we should completely ignore the significance of knockdowns.

Marquez may have won more rounds in terms of 10-9s. But he was down 4 times combined in both fights and that can't be thrown out the window.

But you make good points.

[Kel]

Totally unfair fight IMO but if JMM wants to seek out Floyd at a weight he has never fought at before he is as ambitious as he is crazy.

[BoomBoom]

This is nothing like Pac-Oscar. Oscar was long on the decline in skill and speed and fought at a weight he hadnt been in 12 years. Mayweather just came off one of his biggest wins last year, showed he isnt near washed up and is still able to naturally fght at 147, even 140 if he needed I think he could without the Oscar-like effects. JMM is a great fighter, one of the best on the planet, but this fight woud be a mismatch. Floyd is just too much. If it was the smaller Floyd who fought Castillo years ago, and the Marquez of today...well...Marquez hands Floyd his 1st loss. Its just not the case though. Today, good big man beats good small man.