Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
Lets clarify something...

Jmm/Pac #1 was a draw

Jmm/Pac#2 Pac scrapes by for a win

Pac beat him once not twice

Also taeth your so full of crap sometimes, you absolutely jump on any athletically gifted fighters lap and denigrate any fighter thats not..

Classic example, you say Pac is better than JMM.. HMMM weird that in 2 fight with Pac, marquez won more rounds oficially and can be argued strongly that Jmm could have got the nod or ideally and deservedly another draw.

Stop trying to argue D Diaz absolute shit credentials, he was an extremely weak title holder, no one gives a crap that he beat Zab to get into the olympics.... Geezus Chrise man, Mike Tyson didnt make the olympic team

Delahoya at 147 was an absolute zombie, freeze dried shell of the fighter he once was didnt even hydrate to the 160 that he did when he was 10 years younger.

Jmm has done more and looked even more impressive over elite competition, were as Pac fought a once elite Delahoya that was inactive and shot and a weak title holder... Those my friend are undisputable facts
Was Dela Hoya 10 years younger when he KO'ed Mayorga 10x faster and more impressively than Mosley? Was he 10 years younger when he fought competitive fights with Hopkins and Mayweather?

How has JMM done more at the elite level? You are the one talking crap. JMM doesn't even have half the elite level fights that Pacquiao has had. Pacquiao has foughten four ATG's and has come out of nine confrontation 8-1-1(4ko's). You say Oscar is shot yet fail to recognize that Joel Casamayor has been shot for a few years. Oscar had the best sparring partners imaginable to get ready for Pacman, the best trainers, everything. Don't use inactivity as an excuse. Pacquiao looked better both times against Barrera if you want to compare a common opponent. I am not denigrating JMM, I am stating the obvious that he isn't as good as Pacquiao. That's why he isn't p4p#1, thats why he struggled with a decent but not great Juan Diaz.

Once again Bowe won 2 out of 3 fights against Holyfield, he wasn't the greater fighter, Saddler won 3 out of 4 fights with Pep, he wasn't the greater fighter. Buster Douglas beat Tyson, he wasn't the greater fighter, styles make fights, and Marquez employs the perfect strategy against Pacquiao.

I was just making a point with David Diaz in that he isn't the worst fighter ever, he is a decent fighter. He wasn't hte best that the lightweight division had to offer. As for Oscar De La Hoya, he would have beaten Marquez even on that night, a guy who is easy to hit, who isn't unorthodox, who is that much shorter, and more importantly Oscar's jab and left hook would be lined up. If people watched Oscar against PAcquiao then against Mayweather, you will see that its movement that killed him, he wasn't able to get off punches because Manny wasn't there, he employed brilliant footwork.

Also in this case I think Mayweather, Berto, Roy Jones Jr are all better athletes than Pacquiao, and I like first and the latter more than Pacquiao, but I still recognize that he has accomplished more with his career, because he has more heart, he wants to fight best, and he succeeds when he does.

Once again its bullshit to say PAcquiao has only foughten a once elite De La Hoya, he also faced Barrera twice, Morales 3 times, MArquez twice, not to mention other very highly ranked individuals.

Either you know nothing about boxing or you know nothing east Pacquiao's career if this is the refuse you spew forth.