Leslie Lubaczewski/Lorrissa Rivas

[stallion1]

Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all

You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.

[Tilt A Whirl]

Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all

You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.

Im not belittling shit,if it had continued,Leslie knew she would have had to really hurt Lorissa
Dude,she got her wraps cut,called me,watched the last fight,and went to dinner.
She was not exactly hurt.
And actually your the one doing the belittling.
If thats what you need to believe for your ethnic pride,seriously break it to you,she was up and on a plane and not even sore this morning.
I know your probably happier then hell,Trinidad ref,I had to hire a Trinidad corner,against a girl of Trinidad heritage,on a night dedicated to the best female fighter Trinidad ever produced,but sorry son,she wasnt hurt one iota.She allways bleeds from the nose.
It was a DQ because of the Trinidad corner I hired breaking the cardinal rule,you cant go in to the ring during the round.And they did.
We'd love a rematch,Lorissa fought very well,and did a good job,but not nearly as good of one as your trying to sell.

[Tilt A Whirl]

Now if you want the honest assesment of what happened,it was relatively even except for the knockdown,but Leslie is PO'ed at herself for not slipping well enough during the fight.Lorissa wasnt hurting her,but she was scoring.She was hurting Lorissa but not able to put her down.
If it had gone the full 4 I know the cards would have been skewed,but she was still in it to win it when her corner screwed up and got in to the ring mid-round.

[Sharla]

Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all

You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.

This for me is the key thing. I am willing to bet leslie it tough as nails. I'm willing to be she has nothing but passion for what she does and a HUGE heart.

Knock-downs worry me though. Knock downs are not just having a bleedy nose which could be valid but something else has happened mentally.

Unless the canvas is slippery in one spot or you step on your opponents foot and they pull it away even slippages worry me because it would infer you are unstead on your feet more so than usual due to a blow/blows recieved.

I've only come close to being knocked down once in the ring where my legs felt a bit wobbly and the fact that happened doesn't seem safe in itself to me.

I instinctively feel there is a limit to the amount of punishment I want to allow my brain to be subjected to and that is part of my reason for no longer searching for a new boxing trainer.

I am honest with myself about how many more blows it would take to my brain for me to learn the lessons I would need to get further and weighing it up I doubt it is really worth it.

If she has the heart and the passion and she's working towards a long term goal why should we watch her be knocked down multiple times now?

Maybe if she didn't get stopped - who knows - perhaps the result would be different but is it really worth the risk of what she might be giving up?

Why fight the refs decision when it may mean the difference between coming back another day to fight brilliantly without permanent brain injury or not? No win is worth it in my opinion. Good on them for stopping it!

The other thing I'm thinking of if Leslie really did feel unhurt is time to consider how past experiences and the pressure of competition may have programmed her to fall.

I once knew a trainer in Japan who had a fighter who was knocked down in a fight. In the gym it would never happen and he would have some rough sparring sessions.

He'd heard so much negativity from people about the times he'd been knocked out in competition he was 'brain washed' and even the smallest punch knocked him down in competition.

The coach took him out of competition for a while, built up his confidence again and it no longer happened.

To be honest i understand part of the reason people get fighters in to compete is because they've heard of them but I really think writing endless threads about her and building things up must just put extra pressure on her she doesn't really need at this stage.

Perhaps it's best to allow her bouts to be personal goals and more private journey's until afterwards so she doesn't have to deal with all the hype in the lead up and can just focus. Just report on the result rather than raving on about it in advance It seems like a circus to me and I know I'd HATE it!

[Tilt A Whirl]

Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all

You were right the first time. They threw in the towel not to long after the first knock down. They did not throw it in the ring and then attempt to retrieve it. Yes, Leslie did not want the fight to be stopped and she was saying that she was alright (just like most fighters) but the corner felt that it was too much. Even the commentators and referee felt the same thing. It's unfortunate that you would believe otherwise because it belittles Lorissa's victory. It wasn't a close fight so that's why they didn't allow it to go on. No one wants to see anyone get beaten to a pulp whereas they can't defend themselves in the ring. Leslie fought valiantly but towards the end she was getting hit flush with a lot of shots. The hired corner did the right thing. And yes, I know what it says on boxrec but the promoter is going to have it changed on there too.

This for me is the key thing. I am willing to bet leslie it tough as nails. I'm willing to be she has nothing but passion for what she does and a HUGE heart.

Knock-downs worry me though. Knock downs are not just having a bleedy nose which could be valid but something else has happened mentally.

Unless the canvas is slippery in one spot or you step on your opponents foot and they pull it away even slippages worry me because it would infer you are unstead on your feet more so than usual due to a blow/blows recieved.

I've only come close to being knocked down once in the ring where my legs felt a bit wobbly and the fact that happened doesn't seem safe in itself to me.

I instinctively feel there is a limit to the amount of punishment I want to allow my brain to be subjected to and that is part of my reason for no longer searching for a new boxing trainer.

I am honest with myself about how many more blows it would take to my brain for me to learn the lessons I would need to get further and weighing it up I doubt it is really worth it.

If she has the heart and the passion and she's working towards a long term goal why should we watch her be knocked down multiple times now?

Maybe if she didn't get stopped - who knows - perhaps the result would be different but is it really worth the risk of what she might be giving up?

Why fight the refs decision when it may mean the difference between coming back another day to fight brilliantly without permanent brain injury or not? No win is worth it in my opinion. Good on them for stopping it!

The other thing I'm thinking of if Leslie really did feel unhurt is time to consider how past experiences and the pressure of competition may have programmed her to fall.

I once knew a trainer in Japan who had a fighter who was knocked down in a fight. In the gym it would never happen and he would have some rough sparring sessions.

He'd heard so much negativity from people about the times he'd been knocked out in competition he was 'brain washed' and even the smallest punch knocked him down in competition.

The coach took him out of competition for a while, built up his confidence again and it no longer happened.

To be honest i understand part of the reason people get fighters in to compete is because they've heard of them but I really think writing endless threads about her and building things up must just put extra pressure on her she doesn't really need at this stage.

Perhaps it's best to allow her bouts to be personal goals and more private journey's until afterwards so she doesn't have to deal with all the hype in the lead up and can just focus. Just report on the result rather than raving on about it in advance It seems like a circus to me and I know I'd HATE it!

There was only one flash,he's just trying to build a case,and that was 2 allmost full rounds before the corner got in the ring to try and retrieve the towel.
She was up bright and early this morning got on a plane to Miami,then got on another to Raligh Durham and then is driving herself 4 hours home.
Not exactly in mortal peril,actually not exactly hurt at all,she isnt even all that sore.
I would like to get word on how Lorissa is,from what Ive heard,she was a little worse for wear,and Id like to get word she's allright

[RP33]

Did TM make another account, "tilt a whirl" for some reason?

[Tilt A Whirl]

Did TM make another account, "tilt a whirl" for some reason?

Explained again,Mozilla Fire Fox decided to stop working on my computer(no I dont know why),as did Excite
My auto log in bookmark was on Mozilla,and my password was saved in my Excite e-mail box,so I had to create a new acount to get back on the board using a different email adress.
Im sure I wouldnt be able to create another Trainer Monkey account,because Im sure it would have come back "User name is allready taken" when I tried to set it up,so I just put up the first thing I could think of.
And Im very sure I cant remember for the life of me,what my password was for the TM account

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all

did they find their corners licence in a chocolate egg by any chance?

[Memphis]

Was it not Barrera's corner? They're always entering the ring uninvited

[Tilt A Whirl]

Nope gets worse,apparantly her corner didnt know that towel retrieval was not an option and climbed in to the ring after it,so it ended on a DQ.
None of which would have happened if somebody hadnt stolen the corner man I originally hired's passport,and I had to hire some one from down there at the last nanosecond.
Some days it feels like if I didnt have bad luck,Id have no luck at all

did they find their corners licence in a chocolate egg by any chance?

You'd f-ing wonder
Im not saying nothing,but it was a curious piece of hapenstance that every Trinidad girl on the entire card won,and often by what you might call interesting fashion.
Another fun thing,none of the American girls hotel reservations were right,they all had to be fixed by the poor matchmaker down there after the girls were allready in.
So all the girls were supposed to have nice rez's at a good hotel,they all flew in and found out,"No you dont"
Leslie was sent to a bed and breakfast, as an aside,thank you very much for finding that place Diana,she liked it. We will gleefully work with you again.You did everything you could to fix a bad situation
The promoter,not so much

[Fenster]

So Leslie was knocked down with her nose busted and claret all over her face.

The local T&T corner threw the towel in. They then entered the ring. Leslie lost by DQ instead of TKO.

err.. what's the problem?

Are you, TM, saying the corner got Leslie DQ'd on purpose?

[Tilt A Whirl]

So Leslie was knocked down with her nose busted and claret all over her face.

The local T&T corner threw the towel in. They then entered the ring. Leslie lost by DQ instead of TKO.

err.. what's the problem?

Are you, TM, saying the corner got Leslie DQ'd on purpose?

She wasnt hurt at the time,the headliner on the same card just threw up her hands and said "To hell with this"and did a "No mas"
Read in to it anything you like.
By the way,you know they bet on fights alot down there right?

[Fenster]

They bet on fights all over the world. What's your point? That the corner betted on a DQ?

If your wife was knocked down with blood all over her face, believe it or not, it's understandable a corner trying to save a fighter from further punishment.

[Memphis]

I wish I was a gambling man, I'd have made money.

[Tilt A Whirl]

I wish I was a gambling man, I'd have made money.

Yep you would have,all the Trinidad girls had miraculous wins on a night dedicated to Jizelle Salandy
Its almost like somebody was writing a script or something