Is Juan Manuel Marquez Over Rated?

[fan johnny]

If Pacquiao didn't exist, Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored. He is visible when he's in the ring against a brawler. This is when his fights are exciting. He is only overrated by his groupies, and commentators that don't like Pacquiao because they think he is overrated otherwise Marquez gets his just due.

And exactly what would constitute being ignored ??You mean being ranked within the top 6 by The Ring by his 17th professional fight.....and within the top ten consistantly for the last 13 + years......Or possibly that both made they're respected HBO debuts within months of one another.....Albeit Pac as a 2 week last minute substitute and fill in for...cough...Enrique Sanchez?

You guys really need to let go of it...Marquez is an equal to Pacquiao,both are supreme fighters with different respected styles and skillsets........and last I checked Manny is set to fight Ricky Hatton,Good luck with that!

You are misconstruing my statements about Marquez's popularity to a that of his ability.

Do a little google search and look at the career of Marquez. It tanked, twice. By himself he doesn't have the appeal. Marquez is a great fighter and I'm one of the first to say he proved that when he beat Diaz.

I'LL BE LOUD AND CLEAR. MARQUEZ IS NOT OVERRATED BY THE BOXING COMMUNITY, HE DESERVES HIS P4P #2 RATING.

[Taeth]

I think some people on here overrate him, but overall he is a great fighter, I don't think he is as good as he once was, and I think because he matches up so well with Pacquiao that some are inclined to think he is better than he actually is, but he is on the same level or Morales and Barrera which is the highest compliment any boxer could be given, especially mexican fighters.

[JT Rock]

I think some people on here overrate him, but overall he is a great fighter, I don't think he is as good as he once was, and I think because he matches up so well with Pacquiao that some are inclined to think he is better than he actually is, but he is on the same level or Morales and Barrera which is the highest compliment any boxer could be given, especially mexican fighters.

JMM deserves every last bit of his accolades.. He isint as physically gifted as Pac or some of your so called dynamic fighters... He is technically sound with GREAT in ring intelligence and ability to adapt. He just isint some obscure fighter who happens to be Pac's achilles heal, He is a 1st ballot hall of famer.. Last time I checked those guys arent usually considered ovverated...

IMO JMM after the Diaz fight is just a step ahead Morales and MAB... Especially if MAB loses to Kahn. which will probably happen

[Gandalf]

I think some people on here overrate him, but overall he is a great fighter, I don't think he is as good as he once was, and I think because he matches up so well with Pacquiao that some are inclined to think he is better than he actually is, but he is on the same level or Morales and Barrera which is the highest compliment any boxer could be given, especially mexican fighters.

JMM deserves every last bit of his accolades.. He isint as physically gifted as Pac or some of your so called dynamic fighters... He is technically sound with GREAT in ring intelligence and ability to adapt. He just isint some obscure fighter who happens to be Pac's achilles heal, He is a 1st ballot hall of famer.. Last time I checked those guys arent usually considered ovverated...

IMO JMM after the Diaz fight is just a step ahead Morales and MAB... Especially if MAB loses to Kahn. which will probably happen

That is not going to happen.

[Taeth]

I think some people on here overrate him, but overall he is a great fighter, I don't think he is as good as he once was, and I think because he matches up so well with Pacquiao that some are inclined to think he is better than he actually is, but he is on the same level or Morales and Barrera which is the highest compliment any boxer could be given, especially mexican fighters.

JMM deserve s every last bit of his accolades.. He isint as physically gifted as Pac or some of your so called dynamic fighters... He is technically sound with GREAT in ring intelligence and ability to adapt. He just isint some obscure fighter who happens to be Pac's achilles heal, He is a 1st ballot hall of famer.. Last time I checked those guys arent usually considered ovverated...

IMO JMM after the Diaz fight is just a step ahead Morales and MAB... Especially if MAB loses to Kahn. which will probably happen

Look at all the big name fighters Barrera and Morales fought earlier in their career, just because JMM is fighting the big names now doesn't negate what they did. I am not saying he is an obscure fighter, but he does have Manny's number stylistically. What I am saying is some people are treating him like a god, but he isn't, he is technically sound, but he is no Floyd Mayweather, no Bernard Hopkins. Sure he is fighting exciting fights against Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz, but these are guys Floyd Mayweather would be beating handily, nearly every round. I am saying he is a really good fighter, but he isn't the best ever, and not the best of this generation just like MOrales, just like Barrera.

PS. Juan Manuel Marquez is tremendously gifted athlete, and though he isn't quite on Pacquiao's level, he is one of the faster fighters in boxing. He does have great ring intelligence, but he doesn't have good defensive skills which boggles my mind, he is really good at adapting, he has great determination and ring presence, but he still gets hit more than other guys who were revered with the same sort of intelligence Mayweather, Hopkins, Whitaker.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think some people on here overrate him, but overall he is a great fighter, I don't think he is as good as he once was, and I think because he matches up so well with Pacquiao that some are inclined to think he is better than he actually is, but he is on the same level or Morales and Barrera which is the highest compliment any boxer could be given, especially mexican fighters.

JMM deserve s every last bit of his accolades.. He isint as physically gifted as Pac or some of your so called dynamic fighters... He is technically sound with GREAT in ring intelligence and ability to adapt. He just isint some obscure fighter who happens to be Pac's achilles heal, He is a 1st ballot hall of famer.. Last time I checked those guys arent usually considered ovverated...

IMO JMM after the Diaz fight is just a step ahead Morales and MAB... Especially if MAB loses to Kahn. which will probably happen

Look at all the big name fighters Barrera and Morales fought earlier in their career, just because JMM is fighting the big names now doesn't negate what they did. I am not saying he is an obscure fighter, but he does have Manny's number stylistically. What I am saying is some people are treating him like a god, but he isn't, he is technically sound, but he is no Floyd Mayweather, no Bernard Hopkins. Sure he is fighting exciting fights against Joel Casamayor and Juan Diaz, but these are guys Floyd Mayweather would be beating handily, nearly every round. I am saying he is a really good fighter, but he isn't the best ever, and not the best of this generation just like MOrales, just like Barrera.

PS. Juan Manuel Marquez is tremendously gifted athlete, and though he isn't quite on Pacquiao's level, he is one of the faster fighters in boxing. He does have great ring intelligence, but he doesn't have good defensive skills which boggles my mind, he is really good at adapting, he has great determination and ring presence, but he still gets hit more than other guys who were revered with the same sort of intelligence Mayweather, Hopkins, Whitaker.

unlike Mayweather he's 35, unlike all three mentioned above he is willing to turn things into a fight and not just play it safe, he does get hit, but his opponant pays for it as well, all i have to say is round 6 in JMM/Pac I

[Spicoli]

If Pacquiao didn't exist, Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored. He is visible when he's in the ring against a brawler. This is when his fights are exciting. He is only overrated by his groupies, and commentators that don't like Pacquiao because they think he is overrated otherwise Marquez gets his just due.

And exactly what would constitute being ignored ??You mean being ranked within the top 6 by The Ring by his 17th professional fight.....and within the top ten consistently for the last 13 + years......Or possibly that both made they're respected HBO debuts within months of one another.....Albeit Pac as a 2 week last minute substitute and fill in for...cough...Enrique Sanchez?

You guys really need to let go of it...Marquez is an equal to Pacquiao,both are supreme fighters with different respected styles and skillsets........and last I checked Manny is set to fight Ricky Hatton,Good luck with that!

You are misconstruing my statements about Marquez's popularity to a that of his ability.

Do a little goggle search and look at the career of Marquez. It tanked, twice. By himself he doesn't have the appeal. Marquez is a great fighter and I'm one of the first to say he proved that when he beat Diaz.

I'LL BE LOUD AND CLEAR. MARQUEZ IS NOT OVERRATED BY THE BOXING COMMUNITY, HE DESERVES HIS P4P #2 RATING.

Aware that all this does is bump the thread but I'm really not misconstruing 'If Pacquiao did not exist,Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored' at all.I just disagree with the inference that Pacquiao is soley responsible for Marquez being known and greatly acknowledged in the boxing world as a major player.He needs no coat tails to cling too.Both Marquez and Pacquiao are very worthy Champions.That we can agree on.

Goggle away friend.It may tell you the numbers and statistics but I'll stick to goggling the tapes and messy notebooks on the shelves in my den .Anyone believing that the "L"s next to the Norwood and John fights are clear definative cases of "tanking" in a career is off the mark.

[fan johnny]

And exactly what would constitute being ignored ??You mean being ranked within the top 6 by The Ring by his 17th professional fight.....and within the top ten consistently for the last 13 + years......Or possibly that both made they're respected HBO debuts within months of one another.....Albeit Pac as a 2 week last minute substitute and fill in for...cough...Enrique Sanchez?

You guys really need to let go of it...Marquez is an equal to Pacquiao,both are supreme fighters with different respected styles and skillsets........and last I checked Manny is set to fight Ricky Hatton,Good luck with that!

You are misconstruing my statements about Marquez's popularity to a that of his ability.

Do a little goggle search and look at the career of Marquez. It tanked, twice. By himself he doesn't have the appeal. Marquez is a great fighter and I'm one of the first to say he proved that when he beat Diaz.

I'LL BE LOUD AND CLEAR. MARQUEZ IS NOT OVERRATED BY THE BOXING COMMUNITY, HE DESERVES HIS P4P #2 RATING.

Aware that all this does is bump the thread but I'm really not misconstruing 'If Pacquiao did not exist,Marquez would be another boxer that got ignored' at all.I just disagree with the inference that Pacquiao is soley responsible for Marquez being known and greatly acknowledged in the boxing world as a major player.He needs no coat tails to cling too.Both Marquez and Pacquiao are very worthy Champions.That we can agree on.

Goggle away friend.It may tell you the numbers and statistics but I'll stick to goggling the tapes and messy notebooks on the shelves in my den .Anyone believing that the "L"s next to the Norwood and John fights are clear definative cases of "tanking" in a career is off the mark.

I agree the thread is inappropriate for this debate and Your point is well taken that Pacquiao is not solely responsible for Marquez's popularity. I did not specifically intend to imply that he is. I was attempting to continue the tone set by Andre. Marquez earned and deserves the respect and gets it for being the fighter that he is.

Your arguments however is premise Marquez's ability as a fighter for which I have no dispute. You asked for clarification on what I meant and continue to draw conclusions that its about his ability rather than his popularity. Translate popularity into prize money earned if it makes it easier for you. My comments are not reflective of Marquez's W's & L's and I suggested to look them up for yourself. Marquez had to literally fight his way back into a boxing career. His earnings are dismal compared to the mega earnings of Pacquiao during the exact same time period.

Just so no mistake, this is not a response about Marquez being overrated because he is clearly not overrated.