Inarguably the best boxer of Mexican descent

[CutMeMick]

Not sure where you got your info. from but having met Ricardo Lopez and talked with him he assured me he never lost as an amateur or as a pro.
He went undefeated throughout his entire career from amateur to pro.

The only record Lopez holds is having defended the WBC title 21 times consecutively.
As for the "26" consecutive title bouts without a loss.
I believe Joe Louis, holds the record for most title defenses with 26.

[holmcall]

I like Sanchez, Chavez, Olivares, and Zarate over him based on their level of opposition.

[TitoFan]

I like Sanchez, Chavez, Olivares, and Zarate over him based on their level of opposition.

While I respect your opinion, I wouldn't put Chavez over him. Chavez's 100+ wins were bloated by his penchant for fighting bums through most of his first 45 fights. Sanchez and Zarate... maybe. Olivares over Finito? I'm not so sure.

[CGM]

I like Sanchez, Chavez, Olivares, and Zarate over him based on their level of opposition.

While I respect your opinion, I wouldn't put Chavez over him. Chavez's 100+ wins were bloated by his penchant for fighting bums through most of his first 45 fights. Sanchez and Zarate... maybe. Olivares over Finito? I'm not so sure.

Mario Martinez - w
Ruben Castillo - w
Roger Mayweather - w (2)
Rocky Lockridge - w
Juan LaPorte - w
Edwin Rosario - w
Rafael Limon - w
Jose Luis Ramirez - w
Meldrick Taylor - w (2)
Lonnie Smith - w
Hector Camacho - w
Greg Haugen - w
Terrence Alli - w
Joey Gamache - w

[CutMeMick]

I like Sanchez, Chavez, Olivares, and Zarate over him based on their level of opposition.

While I respect your opinion, I wouldn't put Chavez over him. Chavez's 100+ wins were bloated by his penchant for fighting bums through most of his first 45 fights. Sanchez and Zarate... maybe. Olivares over Finito? I'm not so sure.

Mario Martinez - w
Ruben Castillo - w
Roger Mayweather - w (2)
Rocky Lockridge - w
Juan LaPorte - w
Edwin Rosario - w
Rafael Limon - w
Jose Luis Ramirez - w
Meldrick Taylor - w (2)
Lonnie Smith - w
Hector Camacho - w
Greg Haugen - w
Terrence Alli - w
Joey Gamache - w

I've often countered the "Bum" arguement with this.

Take away the 45 fights people say he fought bums and his record still stands a lot better then most current fighters and is still and ATG.

[Spicoli]

No love for Frankie Randall 2nd time around....or third ....Tiger Lopez went all out & for broke in with papa Chavez

[Taeth]

I say when you take competition into account Barrera, Morrales, and JMM all easily are as good as "Finito" Lopez. He never fought the competition they did, never did fight somebody who was of his level. IMO he was a great fighter, but you can't say he's better than these guys.

[TitoFan]

I like Sanchez, Chavez, Olivares, and Zarate over him based on their level of opposition.

While I respect your opinion, I wouldn't put Chavez over him. Chavez's 100+ wins were bloated by his penchant for fighting bums through most of his first 45 fights. Sanchez and Zarate... maybe. Olivares over Finito? I'm not so sure.

Mario Martinez - w
Ruben Castillo - w
Roger Mayweather - w (2)
Rocky Lockridge - w
Juan LaPorte - w
Edwin Rosario - w
Rafael Limon - w
Jose Luis Ramirez - w
Meldrick Taylor - w (2)
Lonnie Smith - w
Hector Camacho - w
Greg Haugen - w
Terrence Alli - w
Joey Gamache - w

I highlighted the part where I specified in what part of his career I felt he fought nothing but bums. I think you'll find none of the fighters you mention, among his first 45 fights.

[CGM]

While I respect your opinion, I wouldn't put Chavez over him. Chavez's 100+ wins were bloated by his penchant for fighting bums through most of his first 45 fights. Sanchez and Zarate... maybe. Olivares over Finito? I'm not so sure.

Mario Martinez - w
Ruben Castillo - w
Roger Mayweather - w (2)
Rocky Lockridge - w
Juan LaPorte - w
Edwin Rosario - w
Rafael Limon - w
Jose Luis Ramirez - w
Meldrick Taylor - w (2)
Lonnie Smith - w
Hector Camacho - w
Greg Haugen - w
Terrence Alli - w
Joey Gamache - w

I highlighted the part where I specified in what part of his career I felt he fought nothing but bums. I think you'll find none of the fighters you mention, among his first 45 fights.

Oh, I read your post. Seems to me it was about not ranking Chavez over Lopez based on quality of opposition. Maybe if Chavez hadn't fought the first 45 guys you would have ranked him higher?

[TitoFan]

Mario Martinez - w
Ruben Castillo - w
Roger Mayweather - w (2)
Rocky Lockridge - w
Juan LaPorte - w
Edwin Rosario - w
Rafael Limon - w
Jose Luis Ramirez - w
Meldrick Taylor - w (2)
Lonnie Smith - w
Hector Camacho - w
Greg Haugen - w
Terrence Alli - w
Joey Gamache - w

I highlighted the part where I specified in what part of his career I felt he fought nothing but bums. I think you'll find none of the fighters you mention, among his first 45 fights.

Oh, I read your post. Seems to me it was about not ranking Chavez over Lopez based on quality of opposition. Maybe if Chavez hadn't fought the first 45 guys you would have ranked him higher?

What turns me off is when people look as his 100+ wins and go "Wow... he must be head and shoulders above the ATGs who have won "merely" 40-50 fights in their career". When in actually, it's simply not true. Yes, JCC is a bonafide ATG. But to stare slackjawed at his win total and make inferences about it, is to not see the whole picture, IMO. That being said, I would agree his ranking among the best Mexican fighters in history should be in the top 2 or 3 (I still say Finito should be ranked above him). His list of victims AFTER his first 45 fights is pretty impressive. His win over Edwin "Chapo" Rosario was particularly impressive (and painful, to me). But toward the end he seemed more intent on getting to 100 no matter WHO he fought, and that also turned me off. And, like a lot of boxing's primadonnas, he became too full of himself... a big reason why I enjoyed the beating he took from Frankie Randall. And now he's carefully looking after Junior's artificial unbeaten record. (...sigh...)

[Chino]

I like Sanchez, Chavez, Olivares, and Zarate over him based on their level of opposition.

While I respect your opinion, I wouldn't put Chavez over him. Chavez's 100+ wins were bloated by his penchant for fighting bums through most of his first 45 fights. Sanchez and Zarate... maybe. Olivares over Finito? I'm not so sure.

I've often countered the "Bum" arguement with this.
Take away the 45 fights people say he fought bums and his record still stands a lot better then most current fighters and is still and ATG

Exactly. Chavez defended his title more than 27 times, had more than 37 title fights as well, had the longest undefeated streak in boxing history, etc. Considered as one of the greatest boxers. Won six world titles in three weights. Beat world champions such as Meldrick Taylor, Jose Luis Ramirez, Macho Camacho, Edwin Rosario, Greg Haugen, Rafael Limon, Rocky Lockridge, Tony Lopez, etc. Ranked as the 18th greatest fighter by Ring Magazine back in the early 2000s. Ring also ranked him in their top 100 as the greatest punchers of all time.

Fighting bums or not at the beginning of his career, he did accomplish quite something. It doesn't surprise me to hear people say that Chavez was not only one of Mexico's greatest but also one of boxing's greatest.

[Mr140]

Dont even bother its Tito fan what did you expect him to say about it.

[Master]

I am a JCC fan but admit Ricardo Lopez is overlooked and p4p probably was the better fighter.

[TitoFan]

Dont even bother its Tito fan what did you expect him to say about it.

I'm really hurt that someone who argues as eloquently as you would say that of me.