I'm not impressed with Juan Diaz

[Killa From Manila]

What elites were out there for him to beat besides Marquez?

Who cares, Manny's been elite for a long time.

that's what i was trying to say, you don't have to beat elite to be elite, you pick up enough meaningful wins against good world class opposition and you should be considered an elite fighter, hence the p4p list, and i'm not disputing the fact that Pacquiao should be considered elite cause he should, only thing is that the theory of "to be elite you have to beat (active) elite" is complete bullshit

so you're considering Juan Diaz as elite fighter eventhough hes got his ass handed to him by active elite fighters like Campbell and Marquez?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Who cares, Manny's been elite for a long time.

that's what i was trying to say, you don't have to beat elite to be elite, you pick up enough meaningful wins against good world class opposition and you should be considered an elite fighter, hence the p4p list, and i'm not disputing the fact that Pacquiao should be considered elite cause he should, only thing is that the theory of "to be elite you have to beat (active) elite" is complete bullshit

so you're considering Juan Diaz as elite fighter eventhough hes got his ass handed to him by active elite fighters like Campbell and Marquez?

in anything that i wrote did i say i considered Diaz an elite fighter? no, but i do consider Hatton right now one of the elite fighters out there, and i don't even really like Hatton

[Killa From Manila]

that's what i was trying to say, you don't have to beat elite to be elite, you pick up enough meaningful wins against good world class opposition and you should be considered an elite fighter, hence the p4p list, and i'm not disputing the fact that Pacquiao should be considered elite cause he should, only thing is that the theory of "to be elite you have to beat (active) elite" is complete bullshit

so you're considering Juan Diaz as elite fighter eventhough hes got his ass handed to him by active elite fighters like Campbell and Marquez?

in anything that i wrote did i say i considered Diaz an elite fighter? no, but i do consider Hatton right now one of the elite fighters out there, and i don't even really like Hatton

Aight, fair enough. I was gonna say "Geez! Jaca is elite fighter then, coz he was very competive against Marquez, but ended up getting KTFO just like Diaz."