So much for Mayweather-Marquez

[XaduBoxer]

VD is right, there is no point in Marquez fighting at 147. It's just not feasible and Marquez would be better off walking away. It's a nice pay day, but Marquez can make decent paydays elsewhere, he is a top draw fighter these days.

I would rather Marquez test the waters at 140 against a decent name and then have a final fight against Pac. Then his career is pretty much done. No need to fight Mayweather.

Hopefully Hatton beats up Pac and then Pac has nowhere to go but to Marquez again.

I don't think PAC has nowhere to go but JMM... There's so many boxers out there calling out PAC... Even if he loses to Hatton, PAC still a very attractive opponent not only for JMM... JMM has to outbid the others...
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[fan johnny]

VD is right, there is no point in Marquez fighting at 147. It's just not feasible and Marquez would be better off walking away. It's a nice pay day, but Marquez can make decent paydays elsewhere, he is a top draw fighter these days.

I would rather Marquez test the waters at 140 against a decent name and then have a final fight against Pac. Then his career is pretty much done. No need to fight Mayweather.

Hopefully Hatton beats up Pac and then Pac has nowhere to go but to Marquez again.

I kind of agree, but Marquez mega spectator draw? no way! not without the big name of Mayweather, Hatton or Pacquiao... no other matches comes close to mega draw for Marquez. His options for really big money fights are limited. He has positioning right now which is the only reason he is waiting for the outcome of Pacquiao/Hatton. The same is true for Mosley. That's exactly why they are calling it the "Lotto". His next fight is seven figures easy if he faces one of the three. Can you even find a figure on how much he made on Diaz/Marquez. The viewing was up GBP but how much did Marquez earn?

[Gandalf]

VD is right, there is no point in Marquez fighting at 147. It's just not feasible and Marquez would be better off walking away. It's a nice pay day, but Marquez can make decent paydays elsewhere, he is a top draw fighter these days.

I would rather Marquez test the waters at 140 against a decent name and then have a final fight against Pac. Then his career is pretty much done. No need to fight Mayweather.

Hopefully Hatton beats up Pac and then Pac has nowhere to go but to Marquez again.

What if Pacman wins though and moves up to Welterwieght to face Floyd, Cotto, etc? Then Marquez will be forced up to 147 anyways.

If Pac wins then he will have the greater options for sure. I don't think Marquez going up to 147 and losing to Floyd is his best means of gaining a rematch against Manny though.

Hatton beating Manny is what I want, and then Marquez can have his next turn. The bigger the beating for Manny the better. Hatton will most likely want Marquez next which will scupper my vision somewhat. Unless, a Mayweather fight turns up for Ricky to take him off the scent. Who knows.

[Gandalf]

VD is right, there is no point in Marquez fighting at 147. It's just not feasible and Marquez would be better off walking away. It's a nice pay day, but Marquez can make decent paydays elsewhere, he is a top draw fighter these days.

I would rather Marquez test the waters at 140 against a decent name and then have a final fight against Pac. Then his career is pretty much done. No need to fight Mayweather.

Hopefully Hatton beats up Pac and then Pac has nowhere to go but to Marquez again.

I kind of agree, but Marquez mega spectator draw? no way! not without the big name of Mayweather, Hatton or Pacquiao... no other matches comes close to mega draw for Marquez. His options for really big money fights are limited. He has positioning right now which is the only reason he is waiting for the outcome of Pacquiao/Hatton. The same is true for Mosley. That's exactly why they are calling it the "Lotto". His next fight is seven figures easy if he faces one of the three. Can you even find a figure on how much he made on Diaz/Marquez. The viewing was up GBP but how much did Marquez earn?

He isn't on the level of the names you listed in terms of marketability but he is a decent draw, and has been in a number of really decent fights in recent years. He isn't earning peanuts, but he's not raking in the crazy money either.

[Killa From Manila]

Interesting read I found...







Houston Boxing Examiner: Early mega-fight preview: Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

In 2007, former number one pound-for-pound fighter Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (39-0) emerged victorious in two tough contests against Oscar de la Hoya (in May of that year) and Ricky Hatton (in December). In 2008, current number one pound-for-pound fighter Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2) easily dismantled de la Hoya (this past December) and is looking to do the same to Ricky Hatton on May 2nd. Two common opponents. Like "training sessions" with flight instructors "Viper" and "Jester" on their way to the real test - the fight of the decade - against each other. Undoubtedly, "Pretty Boy" vs. "Pacman" is the biggest possible fight in boxing (see Marketing boxing’s climax: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather I) which may easily generate $20 million for each fighter.

It is no secret that WBA, WBO, IBO, and Ring lightweight champ - and current number two pound-for-pound fighter - Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1) has been on Pacquiao's tail - flying around his "jetwash" (rapidly moving gases expelled from a jet engine considered extremely turbulent but of short duration). As Manny looks to defeat Mayweather's last opponent Ricky Hatton, Mayweather may get the opportunity to get rid of Marquez - and "blast" Dinamita away from Pacquiao's tail.

Because if Marquez loses against Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Pretty Boy vs. Pacman will become that much more compelling of a fight over a contemplated Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. That is the essential risk that Marquez is taking. A Floyd victory over Marquez clears the way for an obstacle-free collision between former and current # 1.

Unretirement and Seeking a "Tune-Up" Bout
When I attended the February 28 post-fight media conference of Juan Manuel Marquez - Juan Diaz in Houston, Texas, Oscar de la Hoya - assuming his role as president of Golden Boy Promotions, and agent of Marquez - when asked by a reporter, said that he knew of "certain information" that lead him to believe that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. would soon return to the boxing ring. Around the first week of March, reports began to surface that Juan Manuel Marquez would indeed square off with Mayweather, Jr. - according to Marquez's trainer Nacho Beristain in Esto.com.mx. A mega-fight that would tentatively be schedule for September 12, 2009.

Talks in Impasse
The talks between Floyd's camp and Golden Boy Promotions / Marquez's camp have apparently and recently bogged down, if not, downright appear over. (See Esto.com article link - and hopefully you're in the mood to brush up on your Spanish.) Floyd Mayweather, Jr. insists on fighting at the 147 lbs. welterweight limit, while the 135 lbs. champ Marquez is currently holding his ground to hold the bout at the 140 lbs. junior welterweight limit.
147 lb. vs. 140 lb.

• At 147 lbs., I would have to consider Mayweather (at least) a very strong 4-1 favorite over Marquez, who has never fought above the 135 lb. lightweight limit. Marquez may be a higher volume puncher than the lower quantity, but more effective, puncher Mayweather, however, the shots that do land on a bloated Marquez would probably have a much more significant effect.
• At 140 lbs., however, Mayweather vs. Marquez would indeed be a bona fide mega-fight. At this weight, we would have to consider Marquez as having a "solid chance" at defeating Mayweather, who would have to drain his body below an otherwise more normal weight of 147 - 154 lbs. Secondly, if the fight takes place in September, Floyd will have been away from boxing for close to two years. Floyd's ring rust would translate to an advantage for the presumably sharper Marquez.

What If?
The interesting question is, "What if Marquez does beat Mayweather at 140 lbs.? Does he then become the current # 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the sport?" In that case, it would be reasonable to foresee many, if not most, boxing observers to consider him as number one, relegating Manny Pacquiao to (perhaps temporary) number two status, despite holding a decision win over "Dinamita." Such a scenario would become a rare anomaly in boxing. Sports fans may hold a parallelism with college football's Texas Longhorns being left out of the bowl champsionship series (BCS), while the Oklahoma Sooners (a team the Longhorns beat during the regular season) went on to the championship game to face the Florida Gators.

Secondly, if Marquez beats Mayweather (say, at 140 lbs.), Pacquiao vs. Marquez III may become the genuine fight of the decade after all - with some boxing followers currently not even realizing it.

Additionally, if Marquez defeats Mayweather (again, let's say at 140 lbs.), might that victory possibly eliminate a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight?
As mentioned previously, talks between Marquez's and Mayweather's camps appear "over."

It has taken "Dinamita" several years to emerge from the shadows of Mexican greats Marco Antonio Barrera (65-7) and Erik Morales (48-6) - fighters that Manny Pacquiao has defeated. Marquez won a tough decision win over Barrera in 2007, and it appears "El Terrible" Morales may be the opponent Marquez faces in September, as Morales - who is only 32 years old - has repeatedly stated his intentions of returning to the ring.
As Pacquiao attempts to dispose of Floyd's previous foes (de la Hoya, and now Ricky Hatton), such a bout would have Marquez attempting to dispose of Manny's old foes.

Small world.
A Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales fight seems a sellable bout. To be sure, Morales has been out of the ring since a decision loss to former Pacquiao opponent David Diaz in 2007.

In a previous article (Boxing's elite trifecta: Marquez vs. Pacquio vs. Mayweather), I pegged Morales as Juan Manuel Marquez's fifth most attractive matchup.

[fan johnny]

Interesting read I found...

Houston Boxing Examiner: Early mega-fight preview: Floyd Mayweather, Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

In 2007, former number one pound-for-pound fighter Floyd Mayweather, Jr. (39-0) emerged victorious in two tough contests against Oscar de la Hoya (in May of that year) and Ricky Hatton (in December). In 2008, current number one pound-for-pound fighter Manny Pacquiao (48-3-2) easily dismantled de la Hoya (this past December) and is looking to do the same to Ricky Hatton on May 2nd. Two common opponents. Like "training sessions" with flight instructors "Viper" and "Jester" on their way to the real test - the fight of the decade - against each other. Undoubtedly, "Pretty Boy" vs. "Pacman" is the biggest possible fight in boxing (see Marketing boxing’s climax: Pacquiao vs. Mayweather I) which may easily generate $20 million for each fighter.

It is no secret that WBA, WBO, IBO, and Ring lightweight champ - and current number two pound-for-pound fighter - Juan Manuel Marquez (50-4-1) has been on Pacquiao's tail - flying around his "jetwash" (rapidly moving gases expelled from a jet engine considered extremely turbulent but of short duration). As Manny looks to defeat Mayweather's last opponent Ricky Hatton, Mayweather may get the opportunity to get rid of Marquez - and "blast" Dinamita away from Pacquiao's tail.

Because if Marquez loses against Floyd Mayweather, Jr., Pretty Boy vs. Pacman will become that much more compelling of a fight over a contemplated Pacquiao vs. Marquez III. That is the essential risk that Marquez is taking. A Floyd victory over Marquez clears the way for an obstacle-free collision between former and current # 1.

Unretirement and Seeking a "Tune-Up" Bout
When I attended the February 28 post-fight media conference of Juan Manuel Marquez - Juan Diaz in Houston, Texas, Oscar de la Hoya - assuming his role as president of Golden Boy Promotions, and agent of Marquez - when asked by a reporter, said that he knew of "certain information" that lead him to believe that Floyd Mayweather, Jr. would soon return to the boxing ring. Around the first week of March, reports began to surface that Juan Manuel Marquez would indeed square off with Mayweather, Jr. - according to Marquez's trainer Nacho Beristain in Esto.com.mx. A mega-fight that would tentatively be schedule for September 12, 2009.

Talks in Impasse
The talks between Floyd's camp and Golden Boy Promotions / Marquez's camp have apparently and recently bogged down, if not, downright appear over. (See Esto.com article link - and hopefully you're in the mood to brush up on your Spanish.) Floyd Mayweather, Jr. insists on fighting at the 147 lbs. welterweight limit, while the 135 lbs. champ Marquez is currently holding his ground to hold the bout at the 140 lbs. junior welterweight limit.
147 lb. vs. 140 lb.

• At 147 lbs., I would have to consider Mayweather (at least) a very strong 4-1 favorite over Marquez, who has never fought above the 135 lb. lightweight limit. Marquez may be a higher volume puncher than the lower quantity, but more effective, puncher Mayweather, however, the shots that do land on a bloated Marquez would probably have a much more significant effect.
• At 140 lbs., however, Mayweather vs. Marquez would indeed be a bona fide mega-fight. At this weight, we would have to consider Marquez as having a "solid chance" at defeating Mayweather, who would have to drain his body below an otherwise more normal weight of 147 - 154 lbs. Secondly, if the fight takes place in September, Floyd will have been away from boxing for close to two years. Floyd's ring rust would translate to an advantage for the presumably sharper Marquez.

What If?
The interesting question is, "What if Marquez does beat Mayweather at 140 lbs.? Does he then become the current # 1 pound-for-pound fighter in the sport?" In that case, it would be reasonable to foresee many, if not most, boxing observers to consider him as number one, relegating Manny Pacquiao to (perhaps temporary) number two status, despite holding a decision win over "Dinamita." Such a scenario would become a rare anomaly in boxing. Sports fans may hold a parallelism with college football's Texas Longhorns being left out of the bowl champsionship series (BCS), while the Oklahoma Sooners (a team the Longhorns beat during the regular season) went on to the championship game to face the Florida Gators.

Secondly, if Marquez beats Mayweather (say, at 140 lbs.), Pacquiao vs. Marquez III may become the genuine fight of the decade after all - with some boxing followers currently not even realizing it.

Additionally, if Marquez defeats Mayweather (again, let's say at 140 lbs.), might that victory possibly eliminate a Pacquiao vs. Mayweather fight?
As mentioned previously, talks between Marquez's and Mayweather's camps appear "over."

It has taken "Dinamita" several years to emerge from the shadows of Mexican greats Marco Antonio Barrera (65-7) and Erik Morales (48-6) - fighters that Manny Pacquiao has defeated. Marquez won a tough decision win over Barrera in 2007, and it appears "El Terrible" Morales may be the opponent Marquez faces in September, as Morales - who is only 32 years old - has repeatedly stated his intentions of returning to the ring.
As Pacquiao attempts to dispose of Floyd's previous foes (de la Hoya, and now Ricky Hatton), such a bout would have Marquez attempting to dispose of Manny's old foes.

Small world.
A Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales fight seems a sellable bout. To be sure, Morales has been out of the ring since a decision loss to former Pacquiao opponent David Diaz in 2007.

In a previous article (Boxing's elite trifecta: Marquez vs. Pacquio vs. Mayweather), I pegged Morales as Juan Manuel Marquez's fifth most attractive matchup.

I seem to reacall Marquez stating he'd go up to 147 to meet Pacquiao.

Esto.com article link (Translated to English using Google)

The manager Nacho Beristain came to the passage of information from Venezuela indicate that Edwin Valero will be the next opponent Juan Manuel Marquez, the world lightweight king AMB-OMB.

The manager said that Juan Manuel will return in September in Las Vegas, Nevada, and that his most likely rival Erik "Terrible" Morales. The manager said that Juan Manuel will return in September in Las Vegas, Nevada, and that his most likely rival Erik "Terrible" Morales.

Beristain said that Marquez is not interested in a duel against Valero, world champion lightweight CMB, because the view of his company Golden Boy are others. Beristain said that Marquez is not interested in a duel against Valero, world champion lightweight CMB, because the view of his company Golden Boy are others.

Juan Manuel, he added, is set to face Floyd Mayweather, considered the best fighter in the world. Juan Manuel, he added, is set to face Floyd Mayweather, considered the best fighter in the world. However, negotiations to conclude this meeting have been stalled because Marquez Mayweather asked to raise a weight Welter, something impossible for him. However, negotiations to conclude this meeting have been stalled because Marquez Mayweather asked to raise a weight Welter, something impossible for him. Juan Manuel would raise at most Welter junior, 140 pounds, but did not reach 147 and there have been jammed negotiations. Juan Manuel would raise at most Welter junior, 140 pounds, but did not reach 147 and there have been jammed negotiations.

Accordingly, the promoter Oscar de la Hoya has another option for the City fighter combat against "the Terrible" Morales, one of the greatest Tellers of boxing today. (Castellanos)

[Althugz]

The weight argument was bollocks and only came up after the fight to try and find some excuses for Ricky. He may not be a natural welterweight, but he was also not fighting a natural welterweight, if anything Hatton is a naturally bigger more muscled fighter than Mayweather.

Had to rep you for this, because (and no offense to British fans, I know they love their boxing) I have NEVER heard a British fan admit this before.

Heyyyyyy!! That's a lie!!

[Althugz]

I disagree with the arguments that Mayweather is smaller than Hatton. He might have been so several years ago, but not now and not for a good while. If that was the case then why not take the Hatton fight at 140? Floyd has grown into the weight and fought there for about 4 years. Hatton has popped up there fleetingly and decided the best way to train for the weight was to eat some sausages. I have no doubts that Floyd is the bigger man there.

Mayweather should bugger off and make a fight with Cotto or Mosley, stop with cherry picking and fighting smaller men. It bores me TBH and his style is hardly endearing these days anyway.

FFS, when are people going to stop making excuses for Ricky Hatton when HE HIMSELF squashed any excuses before the fight.

''Standing next to him, he's not bigger than Ricky and if you're not bigger than Ricky, you're in trouble'' -- Billy Graham

"I hope he hits harder than he does those pads, when did Floyd last knock someone out?" -- Ricky Hatton

"In my last fight at welterweight, I came in as Ricky Fatton and did it all wrong. This time, I'll have it just right." -- Ricky Hatton

The people still making excuses for Ricky 2 years on are deluded beyond belief...

[Althugz]

What a load of crap!

Marquez wants money same as Mayweather. There ain't no evil in making money over fighting at a higher weight! Negotiations are part of the game. Marquez ain't in control of making the bout happen, Mayweather is because he can pretty much dictate when where and how much. Besides that if Mayweather is looking at Marqeuz as a tuneup why the hell should he kill himself to make weight?

Mayweather can't dictate shit. If Marquez doesn't feel he'd be competitive at 140 or higher, the fight won't happen. Kudos to him for knowing boxing's limits and not turning this into a circus. And don't forget, Floyd's been away from boxing for awhile. So he's not in a position to be making outlandish demands.

Outstanding post. Marquez doesn't go out like a biitch. If he don't like the way things are than he'll walk away. That simple. Yeah I'm sure the money that comes from fighting Mayweather would be great. But some how i doubt Marquez is struggling to eat

Respect to Marquez if that's the case, I wouldn't want him to move up to 147 where he wouldn't be competitive.

Even though this fight would be great, I'm not particularly in favour because Marquez has to be my favourite active fighter right now.

I'd much rather Mayweather came back and made Margarito/Cotto/Pacquaio his bitch.

[Majesty]

I hope JMM walking away from a big money PBF fight is not following the bad move committed by Team JMM before... walking away from a big money PAC rematch fight and accepted a $30k purse to fight in Indonesia only to lose to Chris John...

Team JMM needs to evaluate the situation carefully...
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Just shows money doesn't run Marquez like it does other fighters. Marquez was promised 1.5 million for the Pacquaio rematch. When they tried to come at him with $750,000 Marquez wasn't going to biitch up and give in. He walked away. Yeah what happened afterwards was unfortunate. But no fighter can predict they will be robbed in a fight

Then do you think Marquez would have a bigger chance against Mayweather at 140?

[Killa From Manila]

I'd say...

JMM 70/30 PBF @ 135 (no way it will happen there)

JMM 50/50 PBF @ 140

JMM 40/60 PBF @ 143-145 (catchweight)

JMM 20/80 PBF @ 147

JMM 10/90 PBF @ 154 (it aint gonna happen there too, especially)

[fan johnny]

I'd say...

JMM 70/30 PBF @ 135 (no way it will happen there)

JMM 50/50 PBF @ 140

JMM 40/60 PBF @ 143-145 (catchweight)

JMM 20/80 PBF @ 147

JMM 10/90 PBF @ 154 (it aint gonna happen there too, especially)

IMO:
Both fighters have the frame to meet at any of these weightclasses in fighting condition. Typically it's harder for the fighter coming down in weight to maintain stamina for the fight and it's harder for the fighter going up to carry the weight. Mayweather's style kills Marquez in any class.

JMM 45/55 PBF @ 135

JMM 40/60 PBF @ 140

JMM 35/65 PBF @ 143-145 (Match/Weightclass)

JMM 30/70 PBF @ 147

[TitoFan]

Why do some boxing fans care so much about "how much so-and-so gets to face joe blow at this weight"..... "how much he gets for facing joe blow at that weight"..... blah, blah, blah. I'm not nearly as interested about the finances of boxing as I am in the boxing itself. Marquez is willing to give up a few million $$$ by not facing PBF at a weight he KNOWS he can't carry?!? Good for him!! That's his God-given right, for crying out loud. VD said it pretty well. Marquez is not selling out to get the cheap payday, when he knows 147 is way above his ideal fighting weight. What the hell is this fascination with jumping all over the weight divisions, anyway? In the old days, you moved up one, maybe two divisions. Hell, I'd rather move up one division, and dominate in both of them, than jump through 5 or 6 divisions just to say I've done it, pick up a few more million, and get my ass drubbed all over the ring. Besides, when you've won 40-50 million over a career... what's 5 or 10 more?

Just my two cents worth.

[THE THIRD MAN]

If PBF wants to fight at 147lb then why the Fuck isn't he calling out Cotto or Mosley? Marquez would be crazy to fight him at 147lb.

[Killa From Manila]

MAYWEATHER VS. MARQUEZ NEARLY SET FOR JULY 18?

Sources close to the situation have just informed us that it's looking more and more like retired pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. will make his return this summer against WBA & WBO lightweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez. Mayweather was originally rumored to make his return on July 11, the same date as UFC 100, against an opponent yet to be named. Apparently, after much debate over the weight at which the fight would take place, both Mayweather and Marquez are now close to agreeing to face each other on July 18.

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