And used to think L Holmes was a jerk BEFORE this week

[Lance Uppercut]

yea but the thing i found fucked up was that the president of the USA Ronald Reagan calls Cooney in his locker room to wish him luck, and then they announce Larry Holmes THE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD before they announce the challenger lol that's fucked up

The announcement part... yeah... that's not cool. Someone's head should've rolled. But Reagan? C'mon. Reagan the boxing fan is free to call whomever he wants. Holmes shouldn't have been such a baby about it.

never seen like that happen again though, gotta hand it to larry though, he's hilarious even though his as isn't tryin to be lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8b7n9U6D3Y

Funny. That was a good larry holmes voice too.

[brocktonblockbust]

I can understand Holmes' bitterness, but why should he direct it it Ali? Ali had nothing to do with Holmes' "status". Yes Holmes could be one of the most underrated Heavy Champs of all-time. But that is not Ali's fault.

Holmes has a right to be bitter about how King robbed him of tying Marciano's record against Spinks. And also about being underrated.

But his own odd personality was to blame for his less-than-Ali public image.

He couldn't have won however he turned: he whipped an old Ali, people hated him for it, and then he had to follow Ali as the next Champ.

He wasn't really the spitting image of a Champ.

I don't know if he's a jerk. BUt he sure is bitter. Worst of all, he's a Heavy Champ and he's accusing another Heavy Champ of being overrated? He should feel comraderie with ALL Heavy Champs, and not judge harshly anyone who held the belt. Not even Bruce Seldon...........errr, ummm

[ElTerribleMorales]

I can understand Holmes' bitterness, but why should he direct it it Ali? Ali had nothing to do with Holmes' "status". Yes Holmes could be one of the most underrated Heavy Champs of all-time. But that is not Ali's fault.

Holmes has a right to be bitter about how King robbed him of tying Marciano's record against Spinks. And also about being underrated.

But his own odd personality was to blame for his less-than-Ali public image.

He couldn't have won however he turned: he whipped an old Ali, people hated him for it, and then he had to follow Ali as the next Champ.

He wasn't really the spitting image of a Champ.

I don't know if he's a jerk. BUt he sure is bitter. Worst of all, he's a Heavy Champ and he's accusing another Heavy Champ of being overrated? He should feel comraderie with ALL Heavy Champs, and not judge harshly anyone who held the belt. Not even Bruce Seldon...........errr, ummm

scratch that, he would bitch over and over about Don King, yet he'd always go back to him, he has no reason to feel bitter about anything to do with Don King cause he'd always go back to him, bringing iit upon himself after knowing that King is just a theif

[Master]

Holmes was never as good as Ali, he needs to accept that. Technically Ali was poor but he was great in all the other ways, heart, chin, stamina and classic opposition.

[gyrokai]

Holmes was never as good as Ali, he needs to accept that. Technically Ali was poor but he was great in all the other ways, heart, chin, stamina and classic opposition.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Sums it up nicely.

Holmes is looking at the technical aspect of boxing. There's more to it, of course, that's why we all watch it.

[Majesty]

seriously if boxing was all about technique.

Lets all follow Larry Holmes and be robots that fight the same way.

Ali used to beat him up in sparring in his mid age years, so how Larry could call him overrated is beyond me

[TitoFan]

For me it's always been hard to separate the man from the boxer. I know Holmes was a good boxer. I don't think anybody argues that. But as someone mentioned... he didn't have the classic, career-making opponents that Ali did. And as yet another poster said, as a former HW champ, he shouldn't speak that way about a fellow former HW champ. So to me, Larry Holmes will always be the bitter old jerk I've always perceived him to be. And of Tyson's KO wins, none have made me happier than the one over Holmes.

[ICB]

seriously if boxing was all about technique.

Lets all follow Larry Holmes and be robots that fight the same way.

Ali used to beat him up in sparring in his mid age years, so how Larry could call him overrated is beyond me

A robot that fights the sameway are you kidding me seriously ? Larry Holmes relied on the jab alot but he could also brawl which he showed in many fights, he could also use movement very well like Muhammad Ali, and he could be the aggressor.

And he was a very good athletic Heavyweight, i think you need to watch more Larry Holmes fights before you make a comment like that again. And lastly Larry Holmes was a novice when he sparred with Muhammad Ali in 1972, he wasn't even a pro yet i don't believe. He was half the fighter he then compared to his peak in 1978.

[El Kabong]

I don't like Holmes' quote about Marciano...I can kind of understand it though. You see athletes rip the all-time greats every now and then because they know if they are on their best behavior they still might catch shit for it or get rated lower than previous athletes. Guys like Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods didn't seem to struggle with their greatness. They are great without having to brag AND while showing respect and IMO that enhances their greatness. But back to Holmes, he may have had similar trouble as Hank Aaron did while trying to break Ruth's lifetime homerun record.


As for Holmes' comments about Ali, I 100% agree....but of course it'll be chalked up to me not liking Ali, but so fucking what, I don't like him but maybe I view his accomplishments in a more clear rational and reasonable manner because I don't like him.

Also on another note NOBODY (at heavyweight at least) will break Joe Louis' title defense mark

[ICB]

Holmes was never as good as Ali, he needs to accept that. Technically Ali was poor but he was great in all the other ways, heart, chin, stamina and classic opposition.

Taking away the classic opposition because he clearly can't compete with Muhammad Ali's competition. But in all the other area's he showed as much Heart, Chin, Stamina, as Muhammad Ali did.

Check out his fights against Earnie Shavers 2, Renaldo Snipes, Ken Norton, Mike Weaver, ETC. For a mixture of all those things you mentioned there, Chin, Heart, Stamina.