Taylor surprised the life out of me .

[Fenster]

Yep, good comparison that. Mayorga was boxing really well in that, Mosley was well out of sorts.

Taylor has it in him to outbox most guys at SMW IMO, except for Kessler who I think is better than everyone else. He always falters down the stretch though. But it's credit to Froch that he really went for it in a way that someone like Hopkins never would. Really left no room for doubts about who won the fight.

It was my second proper look at Froch and he certainly knows how to make a fight watchable! I see a lot of things wrong with him, but he keeps finding a way to win. He can't always rely on heart and chin, so he should keep finding ways to improve.

He keeps calling out Calzaghe but a decent Calzaghe would just outpoint him to death. No way ready for that.

Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.

Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.

Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.

To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.

Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.

Good post.

To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.

[clintuk]

I think Froch fans are being accused a little bit of saying he gave Taylor a boxing lesson, no one here is saying Froch is the prettiest of boxers but the whole point of boxing is that different styles will always emerge and thats what makes it so interesting.

Froch gave Taylor a lesson in determination and heart, and as has been said before, you can't learn that, you've either got it or you haven't.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly

[HattonTheHammer]

Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly

No he wasnt

He was throwing the heavier punches and looked more likely to get the KO up until 11 but he certainly wasnt outboxing froch, that suggests he completely dominated the tactical exchanges and he soooo didnt!!

[ElTerribleMorales]

Taylor was EASILY outboxing Froch, Froch is one tough son of a bitch and due to his toughness and determination stayed in the fight and managed to comeback and take Taylor out, that said, it's obvious though that Taylor isn't the most dedicated fighter by his lack of conditioning, i think Froch is being exagerated a bit, by being called the man at 168, i'd say he's in the top 5 but to say he's better than Kessler is a bit ridiculous at this point, IMO if Taylor really is dedicated he should be given a well deserved rematch, if Froch wins again well he should go on to take on Bute (i think it's the closest fight for Froch), or actually more so the winner of the Bute/Andrade rematch, seeing how Andrade should get his rematch as well, Froch Vs Andrade would be a great fight honestly

No he wasnt

He was throwing the heavier punches and looked more likely to get the KO up until 11 but he certainly wasnt outboxing froch, that suggests he completely dominated the tactical exchanges and he soooo didnt!!

when Taylor used his jab, Froch had no answer for it

[El Kabong]

Taylor is one of my favorite fighters but I have to call him out on this loss.

Yes he fought great (so I've heard) and showed true heart (so I've heard). But doesn't anyone remember the rumors about him partying while in camp? JT has to realize that his stamina is for shit, he faded vs Hopkins TWICE, he faded vs Winky Wright and Pavlik and now he fades vs Carl Froch!!!!

JT had Froch down, he had all the points he needed and he couldn't even hang on for 14 seconds.....that is a fucking shame!!!

Taylor has to realize that he needs to be in better condition and if he can't fix it he has to pace himself to have extra energy later on to work out of those championship rounds.

I had very high hopes for him early in his career and he didn't disappoint at middleweight but I thought he could be a champ at 168 and 175 for a long time and right now being a CHAMP at those weights is out of his reach and it's because he either didn't train or didn't plan well enough to win.


Props to Froch though, he's a tough cookie. Joe Calzaghe would still whip his ass but Carl definently won over a lot of fans even if he does have a big mouth (unlike all the other British fighters )

[El Kabong]

If Jermain Taylor played his cards right HE could have been the guy to beat Calzaghe...I think JT's jab and the fact he fights to the level of his opponent would have made him more difficult than anyone else Calzaghe fought/could have fought.

It is a damn shame...JT is a good fighter but he needs to train or plan his fights better

[leftylee]

Its okay saying that but lets remember the 2 notable names he has beat. Jean Pascal and Jermain Taylor. Pascal is a heartless fringe contender, Taylor doesn't even look like he's interested in there at times and has bad stamina issues.

Froch starts fighting top level fighters and he'll get beaten, comfortably.

Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.

To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.

Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.

Good post.

To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.

How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.

[Fenster]

Part of what makes a boxer great is that innate fighting instinct. That instinct was reflected in Froch's toughness and determination. Going into the fight, Taylor was the better athlete than Froch and the better boxer, but his performance in the fight showed he lacked Froch's fighting spirit. Froch's strength is his heart.

To call Pascal a heartless fringe contender is unfair. Pascal is now taking on Diaconu at 175. There is nothing heartless about that. Having wins over Pascal and Taylor is impressive because both are relatively quick and Froch is relatively slow. Those two fights compare favorably to the fights that the rest of the elite in the division have taken.

Froch has the heart of a Lion. No doubt.

Good post.

To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.

How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.

His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.

Taylor is "half decent", no?

He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.

If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?

[leftylee]

Good post.

To call Froch "garbage" is a disgraceful insult to boxing. What he lacks in talent he makes up for in toughness and bottle. Something you can't learn or practise.

How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.

His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.

Taylor is "half decent", no?

He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.

If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?

How did he KO him fair and square ? He got took to school for 11 rounds and was on the brink of defeat before Taylor gassed in the last round. Taylor lost the fight. And yeah Taylor has had stamina issues for a while. Ask anybody on this site. On paper he may have lasted 12 rounds with those guys but you watch the fights and he has looked pretty bad in them bar Hopkins. The Ouma fight was a classic example. Taylor's heart just doesn't belong in the sport.

[Fenster]

How is it ? Look at that defence of his. He faces somebody that can last a full 12 rounds and is half decent, he will get punished.

His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.

Taylor is "half decent", no?

He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.

If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?

How did he KO him fair and square ? He got took to school for 11 rounds and was on the brink of defeat before Taylor gassed in the last round. Taylor lost the fight. And yeah Taylor has had stamina issues for a while. Ask anybody on this site. On paper he may have lasted 12 rounds with those guys but you watch the fights and he has looked pretty bad in them bar Hopkins. The Ouma fight was a classic example. Taylor's heart just doesn't belong in the sport.

It was a 12x3 WBC championship fight. Not an 11x3. If you get knocked out at any point during the 12 rounds you have lost fair and square. Simple as.

The entire history of boxing would look TOTALLY different without these rules set in place.

Taylor's stamina "issues" are no different to Froch's bad defence. It's all part of boxing. All top fighters have different strong points. It doesn't make them GARBAGE!!!

[Big Dick Whittington]

I keep hearing all this about Taylor's stamina issues ! what issues he fought his heart out at a good pace with a fighter who made him work and was very very strong !
I didnt see Taylor fall apart in the last round and saw him get gurt by some thudding punches by a fighter that came on likea train , it does happen , what you say about Taylor you take away from Froch !

I give massive respect to Taylor he fought a hell of a fight and against most of the other top 10 supermiddles he'd have won , Froch walked through fire to win

Stop with all this Taylor fell apart nonsense

[dcR-Reckless]

I keep hearing all this about Taylor's stamina issues ! what issues he fought his heart out at a good pace with a fighter who made him work and was very very strong !
I didnt see Taylor fall apart in the last round and saw him get gurt by some thudding punches by a fighter that came on likea train , it does happen , what you say about Taylor you take away from Froch !

I give massive respect to Taylor he fought a hell of a fight and against most of the other top 10 supermiddles he'd have won , Froch walked through fire to win

Stop with all this Taylor fell apart nonsense

Taylor got shit stamina. He threw away that fight because he's stupid. I'm not trying to take anything from Froch.

[ElTerribleMorales]

His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.

Taylor is "half decent", no?

He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.

If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?

How did he KO him fair and square ? He got took to school for 11 rounds and was on the brink of defeat before Taylor gassed in the last round. Taylor lost the fight. And yeah Taylor has had stamina issues for a while. Ask anybody on this site. On paper he may have lasted 12 rounds with those guys but you watch the fights and he has looked pretty bad in them bar Hopkins. The Ouma fight was a classic example. Taylor's heart just doesn't belong in the sport.

It was a 12x3 WBC championship fight. Not an 11x3. If you get knocked out at any point during the 12 rounds you have lost fair and square. Simple as.

The entire history of boxing would look TOTALLY different without these rules set in place.

Taylor's stamina "issues" are no different to Froch's bad defence. It's all part of boxing. All top fighters have different strong points. It doesn't make them GARBAGE!!!

i'm not calling Froch garbage but he clearly is a flawed fighter, and yes Taylor's stamina did play a part into the way the fight played out, he was dominating Froch until he started to tire, he was hurt just the same against Pavlik for the same reason, and in the first Hopkins fight (what should have been Taylor's first loss), B-Hop nearly had him out of there in the last rounds, so it's a bit of a pattern

[ross]

His crap defence hasn't stopped him winning.

Taylor is "half decent", no?

He lasted 12 rounds with Hopkins (twice), Pavlik, Winky, Spinks, Ouma, Lacy, Joppy and beat everyone else in under 12 rounds.

If Froch is garbage, yet was able to KO Taylor fair-and-square in his backyard, what does that make Taylor and all the fighters he has beaten?

HOW MANY MORE TIMES FOR FUUCKS SAKES!!

He has got away with being poor by not meeting any top supermiddles yet!

Taylor is a faded middle, he tried his luck at a heavier weight, he weighed in 2lbs under the limit, hes not a supermiddle.

Little fighters like Spinks did better with Taylor

All Froch had over Taylor here is a strength advantage, I said it before the fight that Taylor is not strong enough at this weight, he might last in to the 12th and drop, hurt and outpoint Froch but put him in with a decent supermiddle and see what happens