Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Cory Spinks on the horizon...

[Kev]

Yes I really do think JMM would knock out Spinks!!!

History is littered with smaller guys beating bigger men! Just because your bigger doesn't necessarily mean better & I'll only use the Pacquiao fight to illustrate that, not compare.

Spinks used to be very slick, but even at his best at 147 he was never great! Hell I had the very crude Mayorga beating him! Plus his chin leaves a lot to be desired & an excellent technician like Marquez would have no trouble with Spinks.

Marquez is 135 now & I agree it would be a big step up to 154, but although Spinks is the bigger man he does not fight in a way that it would be to his advantage! Sure he has height & reach but Marquez is a brilliant fighter!!!

As to Mayweather/ JMM who's to say Floyd won't return at 147 thats not that far apart... & again the bigger Mayweather fights defensively!

Mate Mayorga gave Shane Mosely far more problems than Margarito did.

You are entitled to your opinions but there is no way in the world that Juan Manuel Marquez knocks out or even beats Cory Spinks at 154 simply no way.

If Spinks met him at 140 I'd side with Marquez, at 147 he might have a chance depending on how draining making weight was for Cory but at 154 lbs there is simply no way.

You say history is littered with little guys moving up weight classes to beat world champs well then just name a few in the last say 30 years who have climbed 5 weight classes including 3 in one go and knocked out a reigning world champ.

To my knowledge Manny is the only guy to have come close. Floyd and Oscar have been the only fighters in recent years able to jump multiple divisions in recent years.

The only other guy I can think of is Roberto Duran. Hearns, is much like Williams in that his frame was so massive he wasnt disadvantaged by the jump in weight.

Marquez however is 5 ft 7, he aint jumping to junior middle and beating even Sergio Mora.

O.K. for starters I never said beating world champs, I just said bigger men

The difference between Marquez & Spinks would be about 19 pounds right?

Roy Jones was outweighed by 33 pounds against Ruiz

Bernard Hopkins came from 160 to face Tarver at 175 a 15 pound difference there

Shane Mosley went from 135 to 154

Leonar went up to 175

Davarryl Williamson was outweighted by over 100 pounds vs Corey Sanders

David Haye was outweighted by 23 pounds when he fought Delaney & 14 pounds against Bonin

There are thousands more... now I'm just using these because most other weight classes the fighters weight about the same.

Now just because those guys were bigger doesn't mean they were better!

If you think Mayorga is more talented than Marquez then thats your call, but what about Judah who should have stopped Spinks twice or Pineda who could have won that fight, Karmazin, even Latimore who's best opponent was Powell.

Spinks was never that good a fighter & Marquez would prove this... he fights defensively & the weight is really irrelevant.

Bilbo I think you are putting to much emphasis on weight, when you should be concerned with skill

For the record I think Marquez would have more trouble with Mora than Spinks

None of those examples are applicable. It's entirely natural for a great fighter to move 3 divisions or so in a career and if he's a hall of fame calibre fighter to win titles at all of them.

Marquez himself has already achieved this I believe with belts in the featherweight, super feather and lightweight divisions. Now you want him to jump another 3 divisions to 154.

How has Shane Mosely come close to that? Mosely has gone through 4 weight classes, from lightweight to junior middleweight. To beat Spinks Marquez would have to go through 6 equivelent to Mosely beating Froch, Bute or Kessler,

In the heavyweight division body weight simply does not count as much as beyond a certain point the extra weight is practically a handicap.

If you think Bernard Hopkins is a smaller man than Antonio Tarver then I can't even reason with you.

but none of your examples even remotely come close to Marquez, a former featherweight moving through 6 weight classes to knock out Cory Spinks a reigning junior middleweight champ.

It was also interesting that you couldn't provide lower weight examples.

Aside from Floyd who started at super feather and went as high as 154 and Oscar who started at super feather and went as high as 160 who else?

It's simply never happened. Manny knocked out Oscar mainly because Oscar was 20 lbs underweight.

If Spinks fought Marquez at 140 I'd agree Marquez could knock him out too but at 154 it just wouldn't happen

[Galaxy]

Hearns was 1st, Leonard was 2nd

Toney anyone?

[Kev]

Leonard and Jones Jr also did it

Leonard didn't he won titles from welter to super middle thats 4 divisions. In fact only 3 because his supermiddleweight title was fought at 160, the middleweight limit, dont ask me why.

Jones Jr did and the was the only man in history to achieve that feat and he didn't come close to knocking Ruiz out.

Even the great Roberto Duran didn't he knocked out Barkley at middleweight, that's a climb of 4 divisions.

umm no Leonard won up to the Lightheavyweight title making him the first 5 weight class champion, Hearns the 2nd, and Oscar the 3rd
Leonard beat Lalonde at supermiddle it was a catchweight fight and Leonard weighed in at 167

Jones almost dropped Ruiz in the 6th i believe, wobbled him bad with a straight right

Ok but as you said that was at 167 so supermiddleweight, hence 4 weight classes not 5.

[Kev]

Hearns was 1st, Leonard was 2nd

Toney anyone?

Hearns was massive he wasn't fighting bigger men even at cruiserweight.

Leonard won titles in 4 weight divisions, his light heavyweight title was super middleweight limit.

Toney has won titles from middleweight to cruiser weight a climb of 4 weight divisions.


Plus you are merely higlighting my point. All of these examples are the greatest fighters of modern times and none of them started out as featherweights.

The higher the weight class a fighter starts out at the less important the weight.

But it would take a phenomenal fighter to move up from featherweight to junior middleweight, to my knowledge its never been done before.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here, Brit Kid will know what featherweight in the modern era has moved up and won a world title at junior middleweight?

[Galaxy]

Bilbo you the one who brought up weight classes not me, so don't put words in my mouth... I said little guys beating bigger men & all the examples are of exactly that & they are all within range of what Marquez/ Spinks would be at this point. No point going on about Marquez being a feather because he is now an established lightweight, just like Pacquiao or DLH are not considered 112 or 130 pound fighters now.

Marquez is a lightweight now & imo conformable at the weight, Spinks fought most of his early career at 147 but is now comfortable at 154. Those are the facts!

I don't want this fight to happen, never said I did & if it did happen it would probably be a catch weight. From the beginning I've said that Marquez is a tougher fight than Spinks & I'll stand by that! A Mayweather fight would occur at most 147 I'd say, but it is entirely feasible that Marquez could put on a little weight come in around the 144-147 mark & ko Spinks whose chin is questionable.

[Kev]

Bilbo you the one who brought up weight classes not me, so don't put words in my mouth... I said little guys beating bigger men & all the examples are of exactly that & they are all within range of what Marquez/ Spinks would be at this point. No point going on about Marquez being a feather because he is now an established lightweight, just like Pacquiao or DLH are not considered 112 or 130 pound fighters now.

Marquez is a lightweight now & imo conformable at the weight, Spinks fought most of his early career at 147 but is now comfortable at 154. Those are the facts!

I don't want this fight to happen, never said I did & if it did happen it would probably be a catch weight. From the beginning I've said that Marquez is a tougher fight than Spinks & I'll stand by that! A Mayweather fight would occur at most 147 I'd say, but it is entirely feasible that Marquez could put on a little weight come in around the 144-147 mark & ko Spinks whose chin is questionable.

Ok we will have to agree to disagree on this.

In my opinion at 154 lbs this is an easy nights work for Cory, Marquez might even get knocked out. It's the equivalent of Shane Mosely moving up to fight Carl Froch or Lucian Bute. Whilst I think he's a far more acomplished boxer than both of them the sheer size difference would mean he could not beat these strong super middleweights, remember Winky Wright just dropped his hands and let him hit him flush in their fight to demonstrate how his punches couldn't hurt him.

Marquez just would not have the power to hurt Cory. P4P right now he'd obliterate him but in a real fight at 154 he couldnt hurt him any more than big junior middles like Mayorga and Roman Karmazin. Zab Judah was awesome in his prime too. All three of these guys can bang. I won't mention Jermain Taylor as he never hit Cory.

I'm sure even CutMeMick would agree with me on this. It has nothing to do with who is better its just a 3 division leap fighting a fighter in his natural weight class.

Manny was able to do it because Oscar came down and weighed in on the night around 20 lbs lighter than for his previous fights.

Imagine draining your body to weigh 20 lbs less than it does now and then fighting. I guarantee you'd feel fucked! For me that would be dropping down to 8 and a half stone. I weighed that much during my cancer treatment and literally the wind could have bowled me over

[Gandalf]

I'm late on the train....but Mayweather against Spinks.....