Where will you put Pac in the All-Time Greats?

[THE THIRD MAN]

Pac is now the greatest asian boxer that's for sure.

Most definitely! He is ahead of Harada and Galaxy by a long way now.

[CutMeMick]

Most definitely! He is ahead of Harada and Galaxy by a long way now.

I agree and both Harda & Galaxy were brilliant.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Most definitely! He is ahead of Harada and Galaxy by a long way now.

I agree and both Harda & Galaxy were brilliant.

I see you have been fired up about the Pac ATG debate Mick, i have to say i am completely amazed at what Pacquiao has achieved in the past 18 months, he has really only been tested by Marquez (i would love to see fight no.3) and he has easily accounted for DLH and now sensationally Knocking Out Hatton.
What's your take on a potential Mayweather fight? How will the Pretty Boy beat him? I think if Pac beats PBF he goes into the top 20 ATG. Bring on Klitschko

[CutMeMick]

Most definitely! He is ahead of Harada and Galaxy by a long way now.

I agree and both Harda & Galaxy were brilliant.

I see you have been fired up about the Pac ATG debate Mick, i have to say i am completely amazed at what Pacquiao has achieved in the past 18 months, he has really only been tested by Marquez (i would love to see fight no.3) and he has easily accounted for DLH and now sensationally Knocking Out Hatton.
What's your take on a potential Mayweather fight? How will the Pretty Boy beat him? I think if Pac beats PBF he goes into the top 20 ATG. Bring on Klitschko

T-Man,
I just feel it's a bit premature to say he's top 5 all time or top 20 all time RIGHT NOW.
His career IMO is far from over and he has looked unbeatable in his last 3 fights.
However we have to take into consideration his opposition in 2 of those 3 fights.

If Pac were to beat PBF, then Pac IMO would SURELY have an arguement as the greatest fighter of all time. Top 3 for certain.

Let's not forget SRR would have defeted Maxim if not for dehydration.
Henry defended his titles simotaneously and had he argueably beat Ceferino Garcia for the Middle title.
Then theirs Ali.

[brucelee]

CMM, I have to disagree with you on Agapito Sanchez. Before the fight was ended, Pac was winning that fight. VD and I had a debate about it. I've watched the fight again and again, and it was clear Pac was winning. Sanchez does not deserve any mention on Pac. He was simply the dirtiest fighter I've seen, worse than Golota.

[CutMeMick]

CMM, I have to disagree with you on Agapito Sanchez. Before the fight was ended, Pac was winning that fight. VD and I had a debate about it. I've watched the fight again and again, and it was clear Pac was winning. Sanchez does not deserve any mention on Pac. He was simply the dirtiest fighter I've seen, worse than Golota.

We can agree to disagree.
I agree and I clearly stated Sanchez was dirty.
I also clearly stated if not for the 2 point deductions Pac would have lost that fight look up the scoring on the fight and see for yourself.

[brucelee]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

[CutMeMick]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

Well we can be here all night in the end you'll have your take and I'll have mine. Yours comes from hard core base mine comes from a more neutral base.

I said this last year after JMM-Pac II the more time passes the better chances that Pac has to defeat JMM. Time is what is defeating JMM and the more the time pases the better chances that Pac has to clearly beat this time. So in part I feel that JMM will lose to PBF, I also feel Pac will lose to PBF and JMM-Pac III will happen and this 3rd time Pac will clearly defeat him with no questions asked.

[Spicoli]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

Jim Jones would be very proud of you Bruce.Especially that ending 'If and prolly' # 1 all time part.....Cannot wait to see who/why out ranks him top 4?

[brucelee]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

Jim Jones would be very proud of you Bruce.Especially that ending 'If and prolly' # 1 all time part.....Cannot wait to see who/why out ranks him top 4?

Honestly, I have him within top 5. It's difficult to be really comparing him with others in the top 5 coz we have our own opinions. One thing is sure, pac is doing things extraordinarily. He has no league. That makes him all-time great.

[CFH]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

You're utterly delusional if you believe that. He's an ATG without a doubt, but there is no chance he's the best fighter ever if he beats Mayweather.

[brucelee]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

You're utterly delusional if you believe that. He's an ATG without a doubt, but there is no chance he's the best fighter ever if he beats Mayweather.

That is what many have been saying about us when he fought Barrera1, Morales2, Hatton, DLH. You can call me delusional but I guess I'm not hallucinating when Pac demolished Hatton in 2.

Anyway, this is only my opinion and I may have lacked the necessary knowledge to judge properly. Time will be the judge for what we say. For now, I say, Pac is top5 ATG.

[Kev]

Let's remember he was loosing to Agapito in their fight and and was down at least 3 points. It was a very dirty fight and Agapito was as dirty as they came if not for the point 2 deductions Pac would have lost this fight.


I beg to disagree on the losing part. Had the fight been continued, Sanchez would have been TKoed, IMO. Watch the last part when Pac was giving Sanchez all those powershots.

Regarding Marquez, I hate to say this but during Pac vs JMM 2, Marquez was saved by the bell during the 3rd round. Had the KO happened 2 minutes before the bell, he would have been a goner like Morales in the Pac vs Morales 3.

Honestly, I can sense that Pac would TKO Marquez next time they fight. Marquez has never downed Pac but Pac has downed marquez so many times already.

Hope Marquez wins over Floyd so we can see Pac vs JMM3. Regardless of the result of this dream fight, Pac is ATG top5 for me in terms of oppositions.

Just imagine, from 106 lbs to 147, still carrying with him his power and speed. Hatton lasted only 2 rounds, my theory about DLH is then confirmed.What Pac had done to DLH is something not everyone can do.Not even Mayweather.

Pac is a class of his own. An ATG top 5 (probably top 1, if he defeats PBF) in our lifetime and I'm proud to have witnessed his fights.

You're utterly delusional if you believe that. He's an ATG without a doubt, but there is no chance he's the best fighter ever if he beats Mayweather.

What, if he beat even Floyd Mayweather there's no chance he'd be the best ever? Even CutMeMick thinks he'd have a case.

Seriously how would Ray Robinson or Ali, Armstrong and Pep achieved more than a flyweight from Asia who rose from absolute poverty to conquer 7 weight classes beating a whose who of hall of fame fighters and then went up to welter weight and defeated the greatest fighter of his generation, the undefeated 6 weight world champ Floyd Mayweather?

That would be a rise of 10 (TEN) weight divisions from where he started.

Now I don't think Ali, Robinson, Armstrong, Pep, Leonard, Duran hell ANYONE could claim such a feat.

Ali proved himself to be the best heavyweight of his generation, but he had losses along the way, even in his prime.

Robinson seemed to be untouchable at welterweight but lost his title 5 times at middleweight so was clearly not unbeatable.

Armstrong held 3 world titles at 3 weight classes simultaneously, Pacman would have won 4 in succession (if we count Floyd as the true champ at welter which I think most would agree he is)

Now, I'm really not convinved that Pacquaio can beat Floyd Mayweather, but IF he did he would without a shadow of doubt jump to being in the top 3, eclipsing Armstrong and Pep and imo it would only be nostaliga stopping him from topping Ali.

He's gone through 10 weight classes Josh, 10 that is unbelievable.

Ray Robinson failed in his attempt to go from middlweight to light heavy, Manny has gone from minimum weight where started at 106 to if he beat Floyd, ruling the 147 lb 10 weight classes higher.

Nobody else would have achieved anything like that.

However, I don't think he will beat Floyd, but if he did it would be incredible.