Why is Hatton's loss being put on the trainer?

[ElTerribleMorales]

Ricky didnt blame Floyd so we cant say he should take the blame because he has. Its everyone on this forum who are blaming Floyd and im not suprised because he os a right **** but it is really all on the fighter.

fights that you should blame the trainer are fights like Trinidad/Wright, where Tito was clearly getting beaten and Trinidad Sr kept telling Tito that he was doing everything right, and that Winky was tirinig already

[fan johnny]

Hatton's loss isn't Mayweather's fault. Hatton could have had Angelo Dundee and Eddie Futch working his corner and it wouldn't have made a difference. Or to put it another way, if Mayweather trained Pac and Roach trained Ricky, does anyone think Hatton wins? I sure don't.

Mayweather does deserve criticism for acting unprofessionally after the fight, but that's a separate discussion.

What if Roach told Ricky, Pacquiao skills are amateurish and he was to big for Pacquaio to hurt? It would give him false confidence. The door swings both ways my friend. He gets part of the blame for an ill prepared fighter stepping into the ring, just not the majority of it, which is with Ricky.

Well.... we could look at it from another perspective and that's all the blame is with Pacquaio!

Notice the example Pacquiao sets: "I'm just doing my job"

[Rocky Balboa]

mattboxingfan change the writing in your sig or actually Rocky did beat Mr T after he said that

[mattboxingfan]

mattboxingfan change the writing in your sig or actually Rocky did beat Mr T after he said that

Good point haddent noticed, thanks.

[THE THIRD MAN]

I actually think the whole thing has gone to Hatton's head these past few years, since the Tszyu fight Hatton has had an army of fans telling him how wonderful he is and he really has believed them all!!
He loses to Mayweather, but the excuse is Mayweather is the best fighter in the world, no shame there he thinks. He then fights Paquiao and is not competitive at all for 2 rounds and gets Knocked out cold!
I can't see how this is his trainer's fault? If his camp wasn't a happy one leading up to the fight i do not see how this made any difference to the demolition job Pacquiao did on him. It sounds more like Hatton was going to do it his way no matter who was in his corner and that's just ego!

[Nameless]

I actually think the whole thing has gone to Hatton's head these past few years, since the Tszyu fight Hatton has had an army of fans telling him how wonderful he is and he really has believed them all!!
He loses to Mayweather, but the excuse is Mayweather is the best fighter in the world, no shame there he thinks. He then fights Paquiao and is not competitive at all for 2 rounds and gets Knocked out cold!
I can't see how this is his trainer's fault? If his camp wasn't a happy one leading up to the fight i do not see how this made any difference to the demolition job Pacquiao did on him. It sounds more like Hatton was going to do it his way no matter who was in his corner and that's just ego!

I am not that sure, I think that the fact that your trainer drags too much attention and doesn't seem to care being on time to prepare you for the most important match of your career must play somewhere in a boxer's mind.

[albsur2006]

The problem with fighters like Hatton is that, in the ring, they've got bigger egos than people like Floyd Jr & Sr. have outside of it. Ever since the Kosta Tszyu fight, Hatton deluded himself into thinking that if he could bulldoze Tszyu, then he could bulldoze anybody. He got hit a couple good times by Manny and then he had to prove that he could bulldoze Manny. By the way he fought, you could tell that he NEVER gave Manny any type of respect at 140. And he paid dearly. He didn't listen to Floyd Sr AT ALL!!! I mean the guy came in with his chin out basically from the bell lunging into Manny.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he just retired. With the Floyd KO, Floyd's style allowed him to be competitive in the fight and he was out of his 140 comfort zone so he always found solace in that fact. He still had hope. The Manny KO in his comfort zone of 140 was so brutally fast and dominant that there's no excuse this time. He doesn't wanna box, he wanted to punish Manny using his style and bulldoze him, and instead, Hatton got pulverized. His comfort zone is gone, don't be surprised if you never see Hatton in a ring again.

[THE THIRD MAN]

The problem with fighters like Hatton is that, in the ring, they've got bigger egos than people like Floyd Jr & Sr. have outside of it. Ever since the Kosta Tszyu fight, Hatton deluded himself into thinking that if he could bulldoze Tszyu, then he could bulldoze anybody. He got hit a couple good times by Manny and then he had to prove that he could bulldoze Manny. By the way he fought, you could tell that he NEVER gave Manny any type of respect at 140. And he paid dearly. He didn't listen to Floyd Sr AT ALL!!! I mean the guy came in with his chin out basically from the bell lunging into Manny.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he just retired. With the Floyd KO, Floyd's style allowed him to be competitive in the fight and he was out of his 140 comfort zone so he always found solace in that fact. He still had hope. The Manny KO in his comfort zone of 140 was so brutally fast and dominant that there's no excuse this time. He doesn't wanna box, he wanted to punish Manny using his style and bulldoze him, and instead, Hatton got pulverized. His comfort zone is gone, don't be surprised if you never see Hatton in a ring again.

I agree with you here, he seems to forget the Tszyu fight was close until he took Tszyu's balls from underneath him. I wouldn't be surprised if he got knocked out again by someone far less qualified to do it than Manny Paquiao. He is a classic example of a fighter who has believed his own publicity machine and paid the penalty, he gave the Pacman no respect and it showed, i don't think the Floyd snr arrangement was ever going to work when you stop and think of the vastly differeant backgrounds the two come from. If Floyd snr was unproffessional in camp by being late etc then Hatton is equally guilty of disrespecting his opponent and not acting on Floyd snr when he had the chance.
In business if your staff fail you, then you fire them! What the Fatman needs to do if he is to continue, is get back to basics. Rediscover what made him a World Champion in the first place, only he will know this himself.
If he can't find the answer to that within 6 months then he must give it away before some chump knocks him out again!

[CutMeMick]

Hatton lost because of this style.
Bringing in Floyd Sr. to train him meant nothing.

In the end Hatton came out his own way and did nothing that was taught to him.

Hatton lost because of his trademark style which is come forward.
You wont beat Pac that way, Pac will and has KO'd all of his opponents who decide to trade with him and fight this way.

Now take fighters who box, counter and use the entire ring and he has problems with them see JMM fight, Erik fight. The way to beat Pac is to box that has been proven by both JMM & Erik.

[THE THIRD MAN]

Hatton lost because of this style.
Bringing in Floyd Sr. to train him meant nothing.

In the end Hatton came out his own way and did nothing that was taught to him.

Hatton lost because of his trademark style which is come forward.
You wont beat Pac that way, Pac will and has KO'd all of his opponents who decide to trade with him and fight this way.

Now take fighters who box, counter and use the entire ring and he has problems with them see JMM fight, Erik fight. The way to beat Pac is to box that has been proven by both JMM & Erik.

Correct, Marquez is the blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao, i don't think Pacman wants to fight Marquez again. We would all love to see a third fight but i doubt it will happen. Hatton fought a dumb fight and saw the door closing but kept on walking right into it! He showed little respect and did little homework on his opponent, all he had to do was watch the first two Pac V Marquez fights and he might have learnt something. I can't wait to see how Mayweather handles him.

[Majesty]

Hatton lost because of this style.
Bringing in Floyd Sr. to train him meant nothing.

In the end Hatton came out his own way and did nothing that was taught to him.

Hatton lost because of his trademark style which is come forward.
You wont beat Pac that way, Pac will and has KO'd all of his opponents who decide to trade with him and fight this way.

Now take fighters who box, counter and use the entire ring and he has problems with them see JMM fight, Erik fight. The way to beat Pac is to box that has been proven by both JMM & Erik.

Correct, Marquez is the blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao, i don't think Pacman wants to fight Marquez again. We would all love to see a third fight but i doubt it will happen. Hatton fought a dumb fight and saw the door closing but kept on walking right into it! He showed little respect and did little homework on his opponent, all he had to do was watch the first two Pac V Marquez fights and he might have learnt something. I can't wait to see how Mayweather handles him.

You know, when I think about Pacquiao vs Mayweather I get the same feeling I had when Trinidad was about to fight Hopkins.

Trinidad was blasting people out and had only one truly bad performance against Oscar that showed a blueprint how to beat him but no one decided to take advantage of it till he faced someone that was better and could execute that gameplan much better. Mayweather is Pacquiao's Hopkins

[JonesJrMayweather]

Hatton lost because of this style.
Bringing in Floyd Sr. to train him meant nothing.

In the end Hatton came out his own way and did nothing that was taught to him.

Hatton lost because of his trademark style which is come forward.
You wont beat Pac that way, Pac will and has KO'd all of his opponents who decide to trade with him and fight this way.

Now take fighters who box, counter and use the entire ring and he has problems with them see JMM fight, Erik fight. The way to beat Pac is to box that has been proven by both JMM & Erik.

Correct, Marquez is the blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao, i don't think Pacman wants to fight Marquez again. We would all love to see a third fight but i doubt it will happen. Hatton fought a dumb fight and saw the door closing but kept on walking right into it! He showed little respect and did little homework on his opponent, all he had to do was watch the first two Pac V Marquez fights and he might have learnt something. I can't wait to see how Mayweather handles him.

You know, when I think about Pacquiao vs Mayweather I get the same feeling I had when Trinidad was about to fight Hopkins.

Trinidad was blasting people out and had only one truly bad performance against Oscar that showed a blueprint how to beat him but no one decided to take advantage of it till he faced someone that was better and could execute that gameplan much better. Mayweather is Pacquiao's Hopkins

While I be hoping that your comparison is right, the one I d be worried about is pacman being mayweather's duran...as in duran leonard I..

I want to go out on a limb and say PBF gets dropped for the first legit knockdown of his career...but I think it will come against JMM and not pac...

[Majesty]

Correct, Marquez is the blueprint on how to beat Pacquiao, i don't think Pacman wants to fight Marquez again. We would all love to see a third fight but i doubt it will happen. Hatton fought a dumb fight and saw the door closing but kept on walking right into it! He showed little respect and did little homework on his opponent, all he had to do was watch the first two Pac V Marquez fights and he might have learnt something. I can't wait to see how Mayweather handles him.

You know, when I think about Pacquiao vs Mayweather I get the same feeling I had when Trinidad was about to fight Hopkins.

Trinidad was blasting people out and had only one truly bad performance against Oscar that showed a blueprint how to beat him but no one decided to take advantage of it till he faced someone that was better and could execute that gameplan much better. Mayweather is Pacquiao's Hopkins

While I be hoping that your comparison is right, the one I d be worried about is pacman being mayweather's duran...as in duran leonard I..

I want to go out on a limb and say PBF gets dropped for the first legit knockdown of his career...but I think it will come against JMM and not pac...

I don't think Pacquiao will start talking trash about Mayweather's family and piss Mayweather off enough to make him stand and trade.

How CAN you insult Mayweather's family anyway? The conversation would go like this

Pacquiao: Your dad's a prick!!

Mayweather: I know

Pacquiao: DANG IT!

[JonesJrMayweather]

You know, when I think about Pacquiao vs Mayweather I get the same feeling I had when Trinidad was about to fight Hopkins.

Trinidad was blasting people out and had only one truly bad performance against Oscar that showed a blueprint how to beat him but no one decided to take advantage of it till he faced someone that was better and could execute that gameplan much better. Mayweather is Pacquiao's Hopkins

While I be hoping that your comparison is right, the one I d be worried about is pacman being mayweather's duran...as in duran leonard I..

I want to go out on a limb and say PBF gets dropped for the first legit knockdown of his career...but I think it will come against JMM and not pac...

I don't think Pacquiao will start talking trash about Mayweather's family and piss Mayweather off enough to make him stand and trade.

How CAN you insult Mayweather's family anyway? The conversation would go like this

Pacquiao: Your dad's a prick!!

Mayweather: I know

Pacquiao: DANG IT!

He could insult his mother or his kids..but pac is too cool for that type of crap...it will be fun to see if it happens that is, floyd trying to annoy pacman like he's done everyone else...but i seriously think talking about PBF v PACMAN is putting the cart before the horse....because JMM is one of the most technically sound fighters of this era and by no way is it foregone that floyd will skate by him...

[Majesty]

While I be hoping that your comparison is right, the one I d be worried about is pacman being mayweather's duran...as in duran leonard I..

I want to go out on a limb and say PBF gets dropped for the first legit knockdown of his career...but I think it will come against JMM and not pac...

I don't think Pacquiao will start talking trash about Mayweather's family and piss Mayweather off enough to make him stand and trade.

How CAN you insult Mayweather's family anyway? The conversation would go like this

Pacquiao: Your dad's a prick!!

Mayweather: I know

Pacquiao: DANG IT!

He could insult his mother or his kids..but pac is too cool for that type of crap...it will be fun to see if it happens that is, floyd trying to annoy pacman like he's done everyone else...but i seriously think talking about PBF v PACMAN is putting the cart before the horse....because JMM is one of the most technically sound fighters of this era and by no way is it foregone that floyd will skate by him...

No it isn't. But if Marquez wants to beat Mayweather he is gonna have to time him and pot shot him. Because Mayweather isn't gpnna come forward, he is gonna make Marquez come forward against him and the question is, is Marquez fast enough to time Mayweather to the point of getting off before him? Because he isn't gonna run in guns blazing against Floyd.

So it could be a boring fight. Won't harm either of their reputations though. But the fight won't be a gun fight