People can dislike Bush all they want to for whatever reasons but we were going to Iraq no matter what, it was predestined, Saddam was going to be ousted whether by coup or invasion, even Al Gore had stepped up his language on the subject of Iraq.

I completely understand and agree on the US having the moral high ground, and I even with Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and all the water boarding scandals that we still undoubtedly have the moral high ground.

The question you have to ask yourself is, how far can you go to protect your country and still be in the right? And I think that is where the fundamental difference is between the people who don't think waterboarding is that big of a deal and the people who think water boarding is morally wrong. Anything more extreme than those views are strictly political in their nature and the people spouting them either just want to be "right" or they want to punish former/current politicians in power.

In a non-joking manner the movie, Dark Knight is very similar to what situation the US is in. You have a villain who obeys no rules, America is bound by the Geneva Convention, America belongs to the UN, America has to answer for their actions and their enemies don't. Al Queda doesn't have A COUNTRY, they don't have A GOVERNMENT, they are without borders, uniforms, ranks, and limits. Because of that America must fight their enemy and win...but the question is HOW do you win? Do you follow your rules and guidelines and maybe accept that more casualties/collateral damage will be inflicted by these villains? Or do you follow no rules like your enemy and in winning put your morals and values on the line instead of the citizens you are bound by law to protect?

There is no right or wrong in this situation, there are different shades of gray and anyone saying otherwise is just posturing for political purposes.