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But he isn't at all.

Different animal now and more complete as a fighter
He is though Smash how is he any different to the Manny Pacquiao of 2008 that fought JMM ? the first fight i would agree on yes he was one dimensional and nowhere near what he is now.

But in the 2nd fight he is the same fighter then than he is now, its just that JMM's counter punching style gives him fits. I mean if you would of stuck the 2004 version of Manny Pacquiao in the rematch with JMM.

He would of been beaten by atleast 8 rounds to 4, but because Manny Pacquiao had improved alot by that time. His extra skill sets helped him earn a close decision without needing a 4 point round to earn a draw.

I just don't see how Manny Pacquiao has changed, yes he beat ODLH but ODLH hadn't fought at Welterweight in years and years, and he was weight drained and rubbish and it was the worst performance of his career.

The win against Ricky Hatton does deserve alot of credit, but again i don't see how that win makes him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater. Ricky Hatton is a come-forward fighter who has little defense and sticks his chin in the air waiting to get hit.

Manny Pacquiao didn't look impressive against MAB in there rematch, because MAB boxed and counter punched. The only problem was that MAB was too cautious and didn't let his hands go enough. But thats because MAB was past his prime obviously, but i still think he done well and made it pretty competitive for 9 rounds.

Also against Oscar Larios who moved up two weightclasses, was also able to have success by moving backwards and trying to box. He even badly stunned Manny Pacquiao in the 3rd round, he was dropped twice but he still gave a good account of himself.

The point im trying to make is yes Manny Pacquiao does look special, against fighters like Ricky Hatton, David Diaz. But styles make fights and he hasn't looked good in the past, against fighters who try and box and counter punch.

And i honestly don't see that beating Ricky Hatton makes him more of legit threat to Floyd Mayweather Jr, he is still the same fighter that had alot of trouble against JMM in 2008. And anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr can do better.






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I think he's a different animal now because he's fought and beat (Convincingly) bigger fighters which means he's "On One" confidence wise.

Let's not forget that Floyd's been inactive for a year too.

Not saying he'd beat PBF at all as it's too close to call but Manny is def a better fighter.

You learn by your mistakes (Some do some don't) and if you can use that to learn from you'll become better from it and boxing history is littered with fighters who have come back wiser and stronger after a defeat.

Not all do but the wise ones do and Manny/Roach are a clever duo
Why mate LOL and thats fair enough thats your opinion, i just don't think personally he has changed since he fought JMM in 2008. But the Floyd Mayweather Jr's inactivity worries me a bit aswell. But Floyd Mayweather Jr is a gymrat he's in the gym all year round, so im thinking positive. But i'll tell you what maybe we should have this discussion again, after Floyd Mayweather Jr's fight against Juan Manuel Marquez. Because i think that fight will tell us alot.