Roach says "Manny will fight shane at 142 not 147"

[ElTerribleMorales]

I agree, winner of Urango-Berto could be the weakest champ at 147... But Urango or Berto could probably give PAC a much tougher fight than Hatton and Hoya... This is not a given fight... Could be 60-40 in favor for PAC...
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it would be David Diaz all over again, and if Manny was to do it, i'd say that everyone should be entitled to bash him same way Mayweather has been for "cherry picking" cause that's just what it would be

I'm not sure how serious PAC is considering a 7th division title for building up his legacy further more... Imagine he will be the only boxer with titles in 7 different weight divisions if he gets that... That's still very amazing even if he gets his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto... PAC can slap his 7th division belt to PBF's face... (PBF got titles in 5 divisions)...
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then Mayweather can put a sticker of his 0 right on his ass, and tell Manny to kiss it (Floyd's undefeated while taking on elite competition)

[XaduBoxer]

it would be David Diaz all over again, and if Manny was to do it, i'd say that everyone should be entitled to bash him same way Mayweather has been for "cherry picking" cause that's just what it would be

I'm not sure how serious PAC is considering a 7th division title for building up his legacy further more... Imagine he will be the only boxer with titles in 7 different weight divisions if he gets that... That's still very amazing even if he gets his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto... PAC can slap his 7th division belt to PBF's face... (PBF got titles in 5 divisions)...
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then Mayweather can put a sticker of his 0 right on his ass, and tell Manny to kiss it (Floyd's undefeated while taking on elite competition)

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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[Rantcatrat]

You're right the fighters should not accept the fight at these weights. But call it what it is though. This is a tactful way of not fighting someone unless you can almost guarantee they are ineffective. I won't fight this fighter unless they come down to a weight they haven't seen in many years. And that was in their youth. This is worse than pricing yourself out of a fight. PBF is getting all kinds of criticism for fighting JMM at a catchweight. And thats a real catchweight. JMM will be the smaller fighter but neither will be drained. I do agree with Roach that JMM's power has seemed to step up with his weight developing.

Floyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?

It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.

Undefeated Diego Corrales comes to mind.

Diego Corrales? Really? He was taller, but bigger? I'm not so sure. Either way, the Corrales fight occurred 8 years ago. So, in his career, Floyd has fought two bigger men. One of which is arguable. I'm sorry but there is a point there. Hopefully, we'll see him fight more.

[killersheep]

Floyd is getting the criticism because there are a ton of elite, tough welterweights out there and he chose to fight Marquez, whose last fight was at 135, and has made a career at 130 and below. Floyd has five fights where he could fight boxers who won't be smaller and won't be weight drained. And on that note, other than Oscar, when has Floyd fought a bigger fighter?

It is more that from a fan's perspective, I want to see Floyd challenged. I'm bored seeing him fight smaller men so he can showcase his skills.

Undefeated Diego Corrales comes to mind.

Diego Corrales? Really? He was taller, but bigger? I'm not so sure. Either way, the Corrales fight occurred 8 years ago. So, in his career, Floyd has fought two bigger men. One of which is arguable. I'm sorry but there is a point there. Hopefully, we'll see him fight more.

Corrales weighed more on fight night than PBF......
Baldomir has a much bigger frame than PBF. I'm sure that won't count for you for some reason. Who are we comparing this too anyway? Who has consistantly fought bigger guys ?

[Jody Lane]

142 is bullshit. No way should Mosley agree to that weight.

None of these guys should accept fighting Pacman at below their natural wieght and they don't have to. UNLESS they want a big payday that is.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I'm not sure how serious PAC is considering a 7th division title for building up his legacy further more... Imagine he will be the only boxer with titles in 7 different weight divisions if he gets that... That's still very amazing even if he gets his 7th division title from a Urango or a Berto... PAC can slap his 7th division belt to PBF's face... (PBF got titles in 5 divisions)...
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then Mayweather can put a sticker of his 0 right on his ass, and tell Manny to kiss it (Floyd's undefeated while taking on elite competition)

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

[XaduBoxer]

then Mayweather can put a sticker of his 0 right on his ass, and tell Manny to kiss it (Floyd's undefeated while taking on elite competition)

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

If PAC can do it, it's also possible other boxers can jump divisions after divisions collecting titles but fact is only PAC and Hoya currently having titles in 6 divisions... If PAC can successfully get a 7th title, he will separate from the field of elite boxers and the only one to do it... What a legacy... Other boxers can do it also but so far they're lagging behind PAC...

Haha PBF vs. Sturm for PBF's 6th division title?? Go ahead PBF, do it for your legacy... Let's see what you can do against Sturm... Remember Sturm defeated Hoya...
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[JonesJrMayweather]

then Mayweather can put a sticker of his 0 right on his ass, and tell Manny to kiss it (Floyd's undefeated while taking on elite competition)

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

Y'all Must've forgot!!!!!!

ROY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Blac_simba]

Shane better eat his Sugar canes right! cuz Pac-man never ducks anyone....
and pac-man ain't Margarito either lol...

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

If PAC can do it, it's also possible other boxers can jump divisions after divisions collecting titles but fact is only PAC and Hoya currently having titles in 6 divisions... If PAC can successfully get a 7th title, he will separate from the field of elite boxers and the only one to do it... What a legacy... Other boxers can do it also but so far they're lagging behind PAC...

Haha PBF vs. Sturm for PBF's 6th division title?? Go ahead PBF, do it for your legacy... Let's see what you can do against Sturm... Remember Sturm defeated Hoya...
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remember it was a fat unprepared DLH and honestly at best i say that Sturm won 115-113, and don't forget that Castillejo also KO'd Sturm, he's the weakest of the bunch, just like what you're hoping Manny goes after, that really will speak volumes of his "legacy"

[XaduBoxer]

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

Y'all Must've forgot!!!!!!

ROY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy has titles in 4 divisions?

PBF has titles in 5 divisions...

PAC and Hoya has titles in 6 divisions...

At this time, PAC has a very good chance to become the 1st boxer (the ONLY boxer) to attained titles in 7 divisions...
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[XaduBoxer]

not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

If PAC can do it, it's also possible other boxers can jump divisions after divisions collecting titles but fact is only PAC and Hoya currently having titles in 6 divisions... If PAC can successfully get a 7th title, he will separate from the field of elite boxers and the only one to do it... What a legacy... Other boxers can do it also but so far they're lagging behind PAC...

Haha PBF vs. Sturm for PBF's 6th division title?? Go ahead PBF, do it for your legacy... Let's see what you can do against Sturm... Remember Sturm defeated Hoya...
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remember it was a fat unprepared DLH and honestly at best i say that Sturm won 115-113, and don't forget that Castillejo also KO'd Sturm, he's the weakest of the bunch, just like what you're hoping Manny goes after, that really will speak volumes of his "legacy"

If Sturm and PBF will fight now, I pick Sturm to defeat PBF... Sturm will be too big for PBF... BTW, who's your pick??

[XaduBoxer]

then Mayweather can put a sticker of his 0 right on his ass, and tell Manny to kiss it (Floyd's undefeated while taking on elite competition)

I think being a 7th division titliest is way bigger accomplishment than being undefeated... If PAC gets it, he's the only boxer to do it while being undefeated is so common nowadays... Look at Hopkins/Calzaghe, Hopkins is considered the better boxer legacy wise than Joe...
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not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

You're really putting down PAC's accomplishments or you don't know that PAC is the only boxer who beat THE MAN in a division to become THE MAN four (4) times... Which is which??

PAC is the only boxer to attained 4 lineal titles (beating THE MAN at 112, 126, 130 and 140)... Below is PAC's lineal titles:

1) 1998-12-04 112 Chatchai Sasakul
2) 2003-11-15 126 Marco Antonio Barrera
3) 2008-03-15 130 Juan Manuel Marquez
4) 2009-05-02 140 Ricky Hatton

[ElTerribleMorales]

not when 2 of the divisions would be against the weakest "champs" in the division, basically bringing it back down to 5 legit weight class championships, hell anyone can go up and win titles in various weight classes if they nit pick their opponents, prime example, if Floyd was to move up to 160, he'd probably do the same thing as Oscar, and the same thing that Manny did with Diaz, Floyd would probably go after Sturm, seeing that he's the weakest in the division, so winning TITLES in multiple divisions isn't that big of a deal now a days either, unless you're beating THE MAN in that division, people are making too big of a deal of the weight jumping for Manny, and forget that already another all time great who started his career as a Jr Middleweight, and went on to win a TITLE at Heavyweight, yet, it's nothing that hasn't been done before

Y'all Must've forgot!!!!!!

ROY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy has titles in 4 divisions?

PBF has titles in 5 divisions...

PAC and Hoya has titles in 6 divisions...

At this time, PAC has a very good chance to become the 1st boxer (the ONLY boxer) to attained titles in 7 divisions...
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Jones started as a Junior Middleweight, and could have easily won a world title at Cruiserweight, just goes to show that it really doesn't matter though

[XaduBoxer]

Y'all Must've forgot!!!!!!

ROY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Roy has titles in 4 divisions?

PBF has titles in 5 divisions...

PAC and Hoya has titles in 6 divisions...

At this time, PAC has a very good chance to become the 1st boxer (the ONLY boxer) to attained titles in 7 divisions...
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Jones started as a Junior Middleweight, and could have easily won a world title at Cruiserweight, just goes to show that it really doesn't matter though

RJJ jumped 6 divisions from 154 to 200+ and he could have picked up lot of titles along the way but he got titles only in 4 divisions (with no LINEAL TITLE)...

PAC jumped 10 divisions from 108 to 147 and so far got titles in 6 divisions (with 4 LINEAL TITLES) where he could have also picked more titles along the way...

So who do you think has more impressive accomplishment jumping divisions, RJJ or PAC??
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