Barrera is denied rematch...

[Howlin Mad Missy]

Amazing. It's now Barreras' fault for not quitting?
What don't people understand? It is not up to the fighter to quit. It was a matter of safety and that's what the Dr. and ref are for.
It was bullshit then and it's bullshit now.

How can you say that? In the last few years alone we've seen countless fights where either the boxer or his corner have told the ref they're not going to continue, for far less worse cuts and bruising... but I guess MAB and his corner are too 'mexican' to do that, right?

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

[DatsiK]

[quote=Howlin Mad Missy;738873]

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

I'm aware of the rules Missy, but the point I'm making is if the referee fails to make a decision to pull a boxer out surely the corner should decide to take that responsibility? It's no good complaining about it after the fight when the corner could of simply stopped the fight.. yes it would of resulted in a loss but if the corner had MAB's best interests in heart that wouldn't matter much.

I'm not too bothered on this subject anyway, all MAB can do is fight some decent opposition and hope for a rematch at some point, but surely if you're such a legend as MAB and Khan is such a fake then MAB can set his sights higher. I think he can put up a good fight against any top opposition at 130-135, and I think he would of put up a good fight against Khan too.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

[mofo2]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

[Gandalf]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

The truth is that we have NO way of knowing if Barrera is shot. Two fights where he was just trying to get rounds in against cab drivers and then the Khan forehead assault in less than a round. We have little to go on in these recent fights. But before that Barrera had given Marquez a great fight and then gone through the motions for 12 against Manny.

To say he is shot is harsh and a tad premature. I want to see Barrera back in the ring and quickly so we can all see for sure. Needs to be a top 10 LW.

[mofo2]

& the doctor could have as well. I still consider it a negligent act on their behalf.

I suspect the corner and Barrera knew the fight would be stopped by the cut sooner rather than later, Khans punches weren't doing a whole lot so give Barrera a chance by keeping him in the ring.

Thing is, it's created a lot of bad feeling because it robbed fans of an intriguing match-up over the distance that was ruined in 90 seconds. It should have been stopped. I don't much care if the crowd wouldn't have liked it. I wouldn't have liked it at the time but it would have been understandable. It was a cock-up. Khan fans declare it a wonderful scalp (literally) for his record, Barrera fans see it a cooked decision.

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

The truth is that we have NO way of knowing if Barrera is shot. Two fights where he was just trying to get rounds in against cab drivers and then the Khan forehead assault in less than a round. We have little to go on in these recent fights. But before that Barrera had given Marquez a great fight and then gone through the motions for 12 against Manny.

To say he is shot is harsh and a tad premature. I want to see Barrera back in the ring and quickly so we can all see for sure. Needs to be a top 10 LW.

MAB has been an unquestionably Great fighter,but you look at him now and he has slowed considerably and is a shadow of his former self...maybe shot is harsh and I should have just said time to hangem up,but it does'nt hide the fact he is ageing and is at the end of his career!! I just hope he makes the decision to end it now and he does'nt end up another boxer clinging onto their career credibility because they could'nt let go!

[Gandalf]

I'm by no means a Khan fan...in fact I despise the little nugget!!

But I could never consider him beating MAB convincingly or even how it turned out to be in controversial circumstances as a SCALP...He's past it and should hangem up,the man is shot...Period!

And cannot be considered one for this reason!

The truth is that we have NO way of knowing if Barrera is shot. Two fights where he was just trying to get rounds in against cab drivers and then the Khan forehead assault in less than a round. We have little to go on in these recent fights. But before that Barrera had given Marquez a great fight and then gone through the motions for 12 against Manny.

To say he is shot is harsh and a tad premature. I want to see Barrera back in the ring and quickly so we can all see for sure. Needs to be a top 10 LW.

MAB has been an unquestionably Great fighter,but you look at him now and he has slowed considerably and is a shadow of his former self...maybe shot is harsh and I should have just said time to hangem up,but it does'nt hide the fact he is ageing and is at the end of his career!! I just hope he makes the decision to end it now and he does'nt end up another boxer clinging onto their career credibility because they could'nt let go!

He is getting on and no doubt not quite what he was several years ago. But we haven't really been given any opportunity to see what he has left.

I still want to see him fight. If he doesn't impress, then yes, I will admit that he should retire. But he should at least have the chance to get a fair fight in before making that decision.

The Khan fight was utter bollocks TBH. Neither man proved all that much to me.

[Fenster]

I agree with mofo

Even if the cut was a valid reason for his loss - he didn't look like a lightweight. He looked old, worryingly slow and has no power at the weight.

His days of fighting in the big league ended with the 2nd Pac loss. I'd rather not see Barrera get beat up again.

[ElTerribleMorales]

[quote=JoeyUK;738880]

I can say it because it's true. And how many times have we criticised corners, refs and doctors for letting a fighter continue taking a beating? How many times have we praised them? How many times has the boxer protested they were ok to continue?

Barrera 'quits' and he loses.

It's my belief and many others that the doctor and ref got it wrong, badly.



20. b. Accidental: If a boxer is accidentally injured and cannot continue fighting before the completion of the fourth round, the fight shall be declared a technical draw. If a boxer is accidentally injured and as a result the referee determines that he cannot continue fighting in that or later rounds, the result of the fight shall be determined by the judges’ scorecards as long as four rounds have been completed. The fighter ahead on the scorecards shall be declared the winner by technical decision. If there is a draw in the scorecards, the bout shall be declared a draw.
21. Referee’s Authority . The referee shall exercise immediate authority, direction, and control over the fight to which he has been designated, and it shall be his responsibility to enforce the rules and regulations governing the bout. The referee shall be the only authorized person to determine if a foul has produced an injury, and if it was accidental or intentional. The referee shall have the authority to stop a fight and make a decision if he considers that the bout has become dangerously one-sided, or if any of the boxers is in such condition that if the fight continues he is likely to suffer serious injury. He may disqualify a boxer or cornerman. He may consult the physician in attendance on whether the contest should be stopped.

I'm aware of the rules Missy, but the point I'm making is if the referee fails to make a decision to pull a boxer out surely the corner should decide to take that responsibility? It's no good complaining about it after the fight when the corner could of simply stopped the fight.. yes it would of resulted in a loss but if the corner had MAB's best interests in heart that wouldn't matter much.

I'm not too bothered on this subject anyway, all MAB can do is fight some decent opposition and hope for a rematch at some point, but surely if you're such a legend as MAB and Khan is such a fake then MAB can set his sights higher. I think he can put up a good fight against any top opposition at 130-135, and I think he would of put up a good fight against Khan too.

and not even, the ref had already ruled the gash to be caused by an accidental headbutt, so as long as they would have thrown in the towel or refused to come out due to the cut, it would have been a NC, it's kinda like what Camacho Jr did against Leija, only thing is his was just swelling and the SOB waited till about the 5th to quit so that he'd get the W by scorecards