Pacquiao's Accomplishments aren't really that Great

[JazMerkin]

As a Floyd fan, I obviously rate him very highly, however, the Gatti win is basically his 'David Diaz' & there's no denying that, it was not a great win.

I've always rated Castillo highly, he's one of those Mexicans who decided to straight into the pros & bar the losses that have come as he has fought past his prime, I think he is a HoFer, not a first ballot, but I think he's worthy. His record would also look different if he didn't cut so easy early in his career.

Corrales I think is a great, although Pac, MAB & Morales come close, I don't think there's another fighter who's been in so many exciting fights, & the weight-drained thing was crap, he weighed in like 10lbs more than Floyd on fight night.

Baldomir was a poor titlist, but the fact was he was the Proper Welterweight champion & whilst he's no great, I'm not sure he is a million miles much worse than some of the guys who've been P4P worthy in recent years (well Margarito & Hatton), but still he is no more than a C-level fighter

Agreed on Zab, he never failed to falter when in the super-fights & the Mayweather fight was no exception although I never get the 'Zab was winning the first 6 rounds' stuff I hear, usually from new posters or those with a Floyd-hate-fetish.

His best stuff was always at 130 though, his wins over Hernandez, Chavez & Manfredy are possibly his finest wins for me.

Anyway, like you say, you can do it for any fighter if you have the agenda, although I find it funny that people seem to love doing it with Floyd & Manny who are the 2 finest fighters of this generation. If they're crap, what does that say about boxing as a sport??

[generalbulldog]

Okay let's look at this again.

Oscar- that was not as even half as impressive as When Sugar Shane took on a prime Oscar who was just 27 with only 1 loss and not weight drain, Sugar Shane mind you also jump 2 weight classes to fight him!

Morales- Was way past his prime in all 3 fights. Too many wars had sapped his body's strength and punch resistance. He wasn't past his physical prime but past his boxing prime. Being in tough fights like with Barrera will and can take years off a fighters prime!

Hatton- Never elite in my mind, just good and dominated an division that was really weak at the time. A prime Kostya Tszyu beats the crap out of Hatton and really seriously hurts the Pacman.

Barrera- Was clearly shot in this fight, it was one of those fights where a fighter just ages right in front of you. No way a 25 or 26 year old MAB gets embarrassed like that. MAB had been in too many wars up to that point and was shot. It's like an 23 year old Oscar beating up on a 34 year old Chavez.

Marquez- Robbed in both fights. Just Like Sweetpea Whittaker getting robbed by Chavez! Almost every boxing expert had Marquez winning by 2 or 3 points in the 2nd fight, and at least by 1 point in the first fight! One of the worst decisions in boxing.

Stop being blind folks, his accomplishments have serious "WTF" moments in them. But since he fights an exciting style he draws praises. His boxing skills are downright atrocious and primitive, like a smaller version of Tyson. And just like Tyson when you outbox and outhink the 1 dimensional brawler, you beat them!

[OumaFan]

Morales was way past his prime in all three fights, geezus

Strange you don't mention when Pacquiao destroyed a fairly prime MAB.

Saying he was "robbed" in both Marquez fights is cringe worthy.

Congratulations, that was a truly horrific post

Not sure why I'm feeding the troll.

[generalbulldog]

Morales was way past his prime in all three fights, geezus

Strange you don't mention when Pacquiao destroyed a fairly prime MAB.

Saying he was "robbed" in both Marquez fights is cringe worthy.

Congratulations, that was a truly horrific post

Not sure why I'm feeding the troll.

I did mention the first MAB fight in my first post. But at 29 years old MAB is a spent man in their first fight. A lot of wars he's been in at that time. A boxer's prime and a boxer's physical prime are 2 different things. A boxer at 28 years old can be viewed as past his prime if he's been in too many wars that sapped his body. MAB was 29 years old and in his physical prime, but past his boxing prime. Get it?

Do you watch basketball? Do you know who Kobe Bryant is? This is an example. Kobe is in his physical prime at 30 but since he's played in the NBA for 13 years since he's a teenageer he has a lot of wear and tear on his body especially his knees, he's consider somewhat past his basketball prime even though at 30 he's consider to be in his physical prime.

[OumaFan]

He's the first or second best player in the league. Bad example. I can't be reading this stuff, I must be losing my mind.

MAB looked just fine after the Pacquaio fight against Ayala, Morales, Peden, Juarez especially the second time. Pacquaio went up against a very good version of MAB and destroyed him. And leading up to the Pacquaio fight he had looked fantastic. This is stupid.

This is a good windup. If its not a windup and you really believe what you're posting....

[Spicoli]

I think his Destruction of Hatton,considered the man to beat in his division at the time,merits nothing but acknowledgment.That was just brutal!

The Oscar fight.Said it prior that it was just a farce fight.Cash grab by both frankly.Once we knew Oscars weight at less than 147 combined with the thrash marks a speedy and naturally smaller Forbes left on him.It was bad news for him.Pac did what you should do to a past it and drained fighter...beat the crap out of him.

Barrera by no means was a 'shot' fighter going into the 1st fight.Have to respect Mannys destruction in that one.Pac was in his destructive newness.Pacquiao took that win.A shot fighter the first time around would not have been able to return 4 years and six wins later to this time adjust & not be dusted even sooner in a rematch.Aww shite...am I on 'that other' board I take it all back lol

Now the Morales and Marquez fights.Thats a different story.Erik was shot to bits in the 3rd and on the other side in 2nd.And had done nothing afterwords save for arguably going even up (some say beat him) with Mannys chosen belt warmer David 'Reyes taste tester' Diaz in his last fight

[mnmc10]

MAB was not a shot fighter! EM on the first and 6 rds of the second fight wasnt shot too.

after mab pac 1 who do you think pac shoudve fought? just for you to be satisfied of pacs accomplishments.

[brucelee]

Will I use my MOD power against this hater? LOL.

don't mind him folks. He's the reincarnated addicted to boxing. LOL

[generalbulldog]

Will I use my MOD power against this hater? LOL.

don't mind him folks. He's the reincarnated addicted to boxing. LOL

Sure go ahead and use it. What I said isn't ridiculous compared to Pacman Fans saying that he is a better fighter and more accomplished than Sugar Ray Robinson.

[DaxxKahn]

I always get a kick out of the fact that up until being destroyed by Manny Hatton "Was" eLITE....

aFTER THE mANNY BEATDOW HE SUDDENLY BECOMES A CLUB FIGHTER IN PEOPLES EYES....

Just like,,,,(pre handwrap issue).....Margarito was nothing more then a club fighter til he beat Cotto......

Can't be both ways....

Hatton was elite, he beat big names in the WW and JWW divisions, he was the man at 140 til he lost to Manny....Hatton was in no way a second rate fighter

[DaxxKahn]

Sanchez, Julio, Lucero, Barrera 2, Morales 2, Larios, Solis, Marquez, Hatton, DLH.......

Pretty damn good resume....

[GAME]

Sanchez, Julio, Lucero, Barrera 2, Morales 2, Larios, Solis, Marquez, Hatton, DLH.......

Pretty damn good resume....

Those are the pros but the cons are

Couldnt beat Sanchez

Got knocked out by Torrencampo

Got knocked out by Singursat

Got beaten by a washed up Morales who was coming off a loss to Barrera

[ICB]

I always get a kick out of the fact that up until being destroyed by Manny Hatton "Was" eLITE....

aFTER THE mANNY BEATDOW HE SUDDENLY BECOMES A CLUB FIGHTER IN PEOPLES EYES....

Just like,,,,(pre handwrap issue).....Margarito was nothing more then a club fighter til he beat Cotto......

Can't be both ways....

Hatton was elite, he beat big names in the WW and JWW divisions, he was the man at 140 til he lost to Manny....Hatton was in no way a second rate fighter

I think Ricky Hatton was a very good fighter, but i don't know about elite. Who are these big names he beat ? he only had 1 win at Welterweight a very controversial decision against Luis Collazo.

He beat Kostya Tszyu which was a very good win, but he was for certain on the slide at that time IMO. He beat a very faded Jose Luis Castillo.

And his other wins against Ray Olveria, Freddie Pendleton, Ben Tackie, who were shot fighters or just only decent to begin with like Ben Tackie.

And fighters like Paul Malignaggi who is only known for taking a good beating, off Miguel Cotto had looked garbage in his previous fights before the Ricky Hatton one. And Juan Urango got a gift decision to earn his title.

I give Manny Pacquiao alot of credit but i think calling Ricky Hatton elite, or saying he beat big names is a bit of stretch IMO.

But i agree with what your saying Ricky Hatton certainly wasn't no, 2nd rate fighter or ETC. I just never thought Ricky Hatton was that great to be honest, but thats a debatable opinion.

[generalbulldog]

Ricky Hatton was a good fighter, just not elite. I mean would anyone call Arturo Gatti an elite fighter or just good fighter?

And I have to add that Manny Pacquiao is an 1 dimensional fighter/brawler. These guys gets exposed against elite slick boxers. Think Ali-Liston, Whittaker-Chavez, Leonard-Duran 2, Robinson-Lamotta, Mayweather-Gatti, etc.

It's been proven in boxing history that the all time greatest boxers in this sport are slick boxers, 1 dimensional brawlers ends up getting embarrassed.

[DaxxKahn]

I always get a kick out of the fact that up until being destroyed by Manny Hatton "Was" eLITE....

aFTER THE mANNY BEATDOW HE SUDDENLY BECOMES A CLUB FIGHTER IN PEOPLES EYES....

Just like,,,,(pre handwrap issue).....Margarito was nothing more then a club fighter til he beat Cotto......

Can't be both ways....

Hatton was elite, he beat big names in the WW and JWW divisions, he was the man at 140 til he lost to Manny....Hatton was in no way a second rate fighter

I think Ricky Hatton was a very good fighter, but i don't know about elite. Who are these big names he beat ? he only had 1 win at Welterweight a very controversial decision against Luis Collazo.

He beat Kostya Tszyu which was a very good win, but he was for certain on the slide at that time IMO. He beat a very faded Jose Luis Castillo.

And his other wins against Ray Olveria, Freddie Pendleton, Ben Tackie, who were shot fighters or just only decent to begin with like Ben Tackie.

And fighters like Paul Malignaggi who is only known for taking a good beating, off Miguel Cotto had looked garbage in his previous fights before the Ricky Hatton one. And Juan Urango got a gift decision to earn his title.

I give Manny Pacquiao alot of credit but i think calling Ricky Hatton elite, or saying he beat big names is a bit of stretch IMO.

But i agree with what your saying Ricky Hatton certainly wasn't no, 2nd rate fighter or ETC. I just never thought Ricky Hatton was that great to be honest, but thats a debatable opinion.

But again until the Pacquiao loss who was staing different?